TLDR: StartAllBack, ExplorerPatcher and some other projects are being blocked on 24H2.

One more reason to switch to Linux

  • Optional@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Micro$oft are being dicks again, film at 11 but here’s the thing - if you’re interested in customizing Windows - just grab that live distro and get to it man. Linux is here and it’s ready for prime time.

    At this point Windows is just for businesses who don’t know better (or refuse to learn) and people who haven’t been told The Good News yet.

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        6 months ago

        See, ive had Linux problems, but my problem with windows is that I gave to actively fight the system to get anything done. It feels like PvP, and there’s fiat bullshit reverts of stuff. And the GUI is runny garbage!

        Linux isn’t good enough, I agree.

        But windows is far enough into enshitification that it isnt either anymore, and its getting worse. So fucking fast; its getting worse. I fucking miss usable windows; I’d still be on 7 if I could. But I can’t.

        So if at this point Linux isn’t adequate, that means computers aren’t adequate. I use Linux so I don’t lose my computer, so it can do something at least.

      • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
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        6 months ago

        There’s a bunch of problems with this post, but I’ll start by saying that at different times over the last decade I have certainly agreed that Linux just consumes too much of my time to use in a business environment. I’m rocking linux at work over the last few months, but just on Friday for example I booted into Windows because I couldn’t get a god damn Teams screen share to work.

        Firstly, your post kind of deals with “business” as though all businesses have homogeneous use cases. Of course Linux might be more suitable for some businesses rather than others.

        For power management, IDK what you’re saying really. I’m running a stock debian environment. I’ve never looked at these settings before but it took me literally 5 seconds to find the “Automatic Power Saver” options for low battery situations. Perhaps you want something specific that doesn’t exist but IDK, I don’t think this is really a deal breaker for business.

        I’m not really sure what you’re getting at with Excel vs LibreOffice Calc. There’s 5 people on my team and we all use Calc all day every day. It’s fine. The features we use are “moderately complex”, as in complex functions, pivot tables, filtering, et cetera. No macros or db connections. Yes I’m sure some people use Excel in ways that Calc might struggle with, but I’m also sure the reverse is also true. Yes Calc has a more humble vibe.

        if Linux truly competes with Windows, why don’t massive organizations that have the IT manpower/expertise use it for their desktops? They’d save millions in licensing alone.

        This is a complex question. I think part of the answer is simply that this wasn’t always the case, a decade ago Linux was much less viable than it is today.

        Orgs and individuals have built up a gargantuan amount of knowledge around and within the Windows ecosystem, and that knowledge has value. This means that moving to another platform will have huge training and support and specialist costs, even if the underlying platform is free.

        Also, I’m sure you’ve seen the recent posts about whatever German state migrating 30,000 machines to Linux. You’ve probably also heard of that other German city that developed LiMux and ran it successfully for a decade and how desperate MS was to win them back.

        As I started off by saying, yes there are problems, and I agree that Linux might be out of reach for many businesses for the next few years. However, the compelling issue I encounter regularly is compatibility with the microsoft ecosystem. That’s not so much the fault of Linux itself, but really a network effect problem. If everyone started using linux tomorrow microsoft would ensure teams would work without issue.

      • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        6 months ago

        Curiously, for me it’s more or less the other way around, in a sense. I run Linux on both my Desktop and my Laptop, and feel that after setting them up the way I like, I am more productive than under Windows. In Windows, I oftentimes had the feeling that I had to work against the OS whenever I wanted to configure it in a way that wasn’t quite standard, while I tend to feel that I can work with the OS when using Linux. Especially Win11 introduced lots of things that detracted from the user experience for me, and where only changeable by editing the registry, which isn’t great.

        I do recognise that parts, or even most of that probably isn’t applicable to the standard user, but as what could reasonably be called a power user, I never really had any problems working with Linux.

        I’d also say that for non-power users, people who mainly work within Word processors, or their browser, a stable LTS distros can in some cases be less hassle than Windows.

        Regarding Excel - gotta give that to you, I always felt that Excel in isolation was good software, and I am not aware of any replacement that’s equally as friendly to non-programmer users, while also being equally as capable.

        Regarding your last point - Dunno, I don’t work there. I would however raise that inertia can be quite powerful. No one ever got fired for buying IBM, no one ever got fired for licensing Windows. Doesn’t mean that there aren’t other, possibly good, reasons.

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      6 months ago

      Linux isnt quite ready for prime time.

      But neither is windows anymore, and Linux isnt generally shitting itself and taking features, features you might rely on away from you

      The fucking precarity of modern windows, man. Plus the amount it must spy on you.

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      6 months ago

      Good for you I guess but good luck with commercial software development when your whole toolchain is Windows only. Same for video games, and Proton only works properly if you have a new GPU which supports all the Vulkan features.

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      6 months ago

      This will be true when Linux supports anticheat (well, when anticheat supports Linux).

      Sure, not everyone uses their computer for gaming, but I’m sure a lot would like the option.

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          6 months ago

          Those are all great games, but the unfortunate truth is that you’re still going to be limited. Some people may be totally okay with only playing the games that get support but I feel like I’d always feel like I’m missing out if a game I’m really interested in doesnt.

          • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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            6 months ago

            only games you’ll be missing is games with invasive kernal level drm/anticheat.

            most people with common sense tend to avoid those games and their rootkits to begin with, so you’re really missing nothing by switching.

            Sometimes theres a game that doesnt run great at the moment but within 3-6 months runs like a dream.

    • TCGM@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      I’ll switch to Linux when Visual Studio Community (NOT Code) works on it and I never have to touch the command line ever again.

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        6 months ago

        As someone who genuinely loves the command line - I’d like to know more about your perspective. (Genuinely. I solemnly swear not to try to convince you of my perspective.)

        What about GUIs appeals to you over a command line?

        I like the CLI because it feels like a conversation with the computer. I explain what I want, combining commands as necessary, and the machine responds.

        With GUIs I feel like I’m always relearning tools. Even something as straightforward as ‘find and replace’ has different keyboard shortcuts in most of the text-editing apps I use - and regex support is spotty.

        Not to say that I think the terminal is best for all things. I do use an IDE and windowing environments. Just that - when there are CLI tools I tend to prefer them over an equivalent GUI tool.

        Anyway, I’m interested to hear your perspective- what about GUIs works better for you? What about the CLI is failing you?

        Thank you!

        • SexyVetra@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          Not OP. Used Linux since the late 90s. My daily driver is NixOS. GUI here is synonymous with TUI.

          What about GUIs appeals to you over a command line?

          I like the GUI because I can see what options the tool can execute in this state. I don’t have to pass --help to grep or keep several man page sections open. The machine knows what it’s capable of and I direct it.

          With CLIs I feel like I’m always relearning tools. Even something as straightforward as ‘enable a flag’ has different syntax. Is it -flag? --flag? --enable-flag? Oh look, a checkbox.

          Not to say that I think a window environment is best for all things. When using an IDE, I have the terminal open constantly. Programmers are as bad at visual interfaces as they are module interfaces. If no UX designer was involved in displaying complex data or situations, I’m likely to try to fall back to the commandline. Just that - when there are GUI tools I tend to prefer them over an equivalent CLI tool.


          tl;dr GUIs can represent the current state of a complex process and provide relevant context, instead of requiring the user to model that information (with large error bars for quality of the UI).

          Anyway, I hope you take this in good humor and at least consider a TUI for your next project.

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            6 months ago

            I hope you take this in good humor and at least consider a TUI for your next project.

            Absolutely. I see what you did there… 😉

            But seriously, thank you for your response!

            I think your comment about GUIs being better at displaying the current state and context was very insightful. Most CLI work I do is generally about composing a pipeline and shoving some sort of data through it. As a class of work, that’s a common task, but certainly not the only thing I do with my PC.

            Multistage operations like, say, Bluetooth pairing I definitely prefer to use the GUI for. I think it is partially because of the state tracking inherent in the process.

            Thanks again!

        • TCGM@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          Thanks for your reasonable reply and question! As for what I love about UI, it’s simple;

          I don’t have to remember what to enter, just the pathway to get there.

          With command line, you have to remember commands, arguments, syntax, and gods forbid you enter something wrong. It won’t work.

          But with a (decently designed) UI, you merely have to remember the path you took to get to wherever you want to go, what buttons to press, what mouse movements to execute.

          As someone with a limited attention span and energy to do things, this is a lifesaver.

          As for Visual Studio, that’s a development preference. Code is too different for me to be comfortable in it, and relies on command line too much.

          • swordsmanluke@programming.dev
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            6 months ago

            Thank you for responding! I really liked this bit

            with a (decently designed) UI, you merely have to remember the path you took to get to wherever you want to go, what buttons to press, what mouse movements to execute.

            I think that’s very insightful. I certainly have developed muscle-memory for many of my most-frequent commands in the CLI or editor of choice.

            I agree about Visual Studio as a preference. I’ve used (or at least tried) dozens of IDE setups down the years from vi/emacs to JetBrains/VS to more esoteric things like Code Bubbles. I’ve found my personal happy place but I’d never tell someone else their way of working was wrong.

            (Except for emacs devs. (Excepting again evil-mode emacs devs - who are merely confused and are approaching the light.)) ;)