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- brainworms@lemm.ee
Stung by paying billions of dollars for settlements and trials, chemical giant Bayer has been lobbying lawmakers in three states to pass bills providing it a legal shield from lawsuits that claim its popular weedkiller Roundup causes cancer.
Nearly identical bills introduced in Iowa, Missouri and Idaho this year — with wording supplied by Bayer — would protect pesticide companies from claims they failed to warn that their product causes cancer, if their labels otherwise complied with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s regulations.
But legal experts warn the legislation could have broader consequences — extending to any product liability claim or, in Iowa’s case, providing immunity from lawsuits of any kind. Critics say it could spread nationwide.
It’s probably safe to assume the studies saying it doesn’t were bought and paid for by Bayer and are shitty studies.
Big Tobaco. Big Oil. Social media.
The problem is, that the studies on glyphosat are way too small. As far as I know it is not particularly cancerous. That is other weed killers are worse. But Monsanto who did these studies and Bayer who bought Monsanto and miscalculated the risks; they did a poor job with these studies, which caused this massive confusion and are therefore largely to blame themselves for the disaster.
Here is a good video on the topic. It’s in German, though: https://youtu.be/2K0TAphTfaI?si=rXimwbUfEY51fSdq
This btw. is how it works. You have a product you want to bring to the market, so you have to prove it’s safe. It’s the regulator’s job to decided if the provided evidence is enough.
You absolutely do not need to prove something is safe to bring it to market in the US. You just have to show that it isn’t unreasonably dangerous.
Yeah, there are two basic approaches to safety: evidence of harm and evidence of safety. Evidence of safety is the higher standard (e.g. broad long-term independent studies). Evidence of harm is a low standard (e.g. small studies, short-term studies). Guess which one is used for herbicides, pesticides, food, …
I honestly do not know enough to say because it absolutely is not my field. I just know that a safe herbicidal solution needs to be found or crops will get overwhelmed by weeds. If that can’t be Roundup because it causes cancer, that’s understandable. But it has to be something.
I’m not a scientist, but roundup is a core product for a massive mega-corp.
They absolutely would have positive studies published to support their profits. I don’t know if round up causes cancer. But I do know that’s one of their best tools to avoid regulation. And mega corps like that do it all the freaking time.
Sure, but just because a megacorp makes something doesn’t necessarily mean it’s dangerous. Remember, that was an argument people were making about COVID vaccines. I am absolutely willing to grant that it could be very, very dangerous. As I said, I don’t know enough about it. But I don’t think the simple fact that Bayer makes it is really enough of an argument to prove that it’s carcinogenic.
And obviously, I am not arguing against regulation. Quite the opposite. Hence my emphasizing a safe herbicide.
Roundup has been studied a lot by many different people include universities and is almost always found harmless. It has been around for decades and is in very widespread use (though in tiny amounts it is mixed with a lot of water as used), so many different people have studied it. Some are Bayer, but most are not.