China does have a habit of market dumplings. It doesn’t play nice with trade. But no where does. China is just very good at flooding market with stuff that is artificially cheap. By say, not bothering to test it meets the regulations of the market. Or using slave trade. Or just straight subsidiaries.
Also all modern cars, EV or otherwise, and straight spy machines.
China is a problem, but cars isn’t where I’d start. (As long as they have been proved safe). I’d start with cheap electronics that don’t meet regulations all over Amazon and EBay. A lot is just environmentally bad as it’s just throwaway. Some is a fire risk.
I think that’s regular capitalism. At least at far as everyone plays it.
The most popular Chinese EVs, the ones shipped internationally, are treated as rigorously as those if any other country and recently BYD specifically have begun receiving safety scores higher than cars from other countries.
Market dumplings? Haven’t heard that one before, what’s that?
Yes, but democracy keeps capitalism in check normally, but not in China.
I’ve heard nothing but good things about modern Chinese EVs. But they still need to be checked, and keep being checked, as the China has a terrible history with regs. Also, if they are market dumping again, there needs to be tariffs to counter it.
Raw free trade is a tragedy of the commons nonsense. Protectionism is self defeating. In the real world, most places are between those two rails.
Market dumping is flooding a market.with your goods at a loss. It can because you have excess you want to recoop what you can from. It can also be a weapon to take over a market and destory competition.
Unions, regulations, etc. But none of that works without functioning democracy. That we barely have, but it’s better than none.
Due to experience, I don’t trust Chinese goods comply unless they are independently checked. That is reputation they have earned and now need to unearn. I don’t just blame Chinese manufacturers but also Amazon, Ebay, etc for enabling the sale of goods claiming they comply to standards they don’t.
I doubt a democracy can function without unions any better than a union could function without a democracy.
It’s fine to be wary, but now that you’ve been made aware of the independent safety testing done in Europe by independent safety commissions of Chinese EVs, why are you still implying you need different independent safety testing?
I’m not taking about democracy without unions. I agree that would be bad. I count unions as part of the democratic process.
I hope the independent testing is done yearly, on random cars, not just once on the design. Chinese manufacturing has earned low trust from me and that will take time to repair.
I also have lower trust in undemocratic countries. Trade alone doesn’t improve how the act, and China is an example of that.
Chinese arbitrary manufacturing mistrust is understandable, but their auto manufacturing standards are consistently independently affirmed as world-class while Tesla roofs and doors randomly fall off vehicles, for a bit of perspective on auto safety and manufacturing methods
Neither the US or the EU require annual testing for tested car models, which I agree would be nice.
China does not do altruism. Their car manufacturers are owned and subsidized by the government. They’re made to saturate and destroy markets with cheap goods, driving out the competition. Once there is no competition, they have the market to themselves and can manipulate as they see fit.
Weird that you are confusing such discrete, almost antithetical concepts as altruism and capitalism.
Yes, Chinese auto companies are trying to corner part of the auto market like every other car company in every country does.
And now they’re doing it with inexpensive EVs receiving top marks in safety and manufacture, according to the top global standards.
So you can whine about all car companies trying to sell a product(seems like a waste of time) or provide actual evidence that the safety ratings for Chinese EVs are false in some way.
Right now you’re spewing irrelevant tangents that have nothing to do with the EV industry.
This is specifically about independently tested high-scoring automobiles to European and Australian markets, not products released by American companies from untrustworthy manufacturers to Americans.
Your list has American companies choosing to sell dangerous and unregulated products to Americans until enough legal violations pile up, very different from China manufacturing and selling regulated and independently tested EVs to non-US markets.
Why not?
China does have a habit of market dumplings. It doesn’t play nice with trade. But no where does. China is just very good at flooding market with stuff that is artificially cheap. By say, not bothering to test it meets the regulations of the market. Or using slave trade. Or just straight subsidiaries.
Also all modern cars, EV or otherwise, and straight spy machines.
China is a problem, but cars isn’t where I’d start. (As long as they have been proved safe). I’d start with cheap electronics that don’t meet regulations all over Amazon and EBay. A lot is just environmentally bad as it’s just throwaway. Some is a fire risk.
China is just very good at dystopian capitalism.
I think that’s regular capitalism. At least at far as everyone plays it.
The most popular Chinese EVs, the ones shipped internationally, are treated as rigorously as those if any other country and recently BYD specifically have begun receiving safety scores higher than cars from other countries.
Market dumplings? Haven’t heard that one before, what’s that?
Yes, but democracy keeps capitalism in check normally, but not in China.
I’ve heard nothing but good things about modern Chinese EVs. But they still need to be checked, and keep being checked, as the China has a terrible history with regs. Also, if they are market dumping again, there needs to be tariffs to counter it.
Raw free trade is a tragedy of the commons nonsense. Protectionism is self defeating. In the real world, most places are between those two rails.
Market dumping is flooding a market.with your goods at a loss. It can because you have excess you want to recoop what you can from. It can also be a weapon to take over a market and destory competition.
Democracy keep capitalism in check? Woo, citation needed, I disagree.
Unions keep capitalism in check.
The safety standards I’m talking about are international safety standards tested internationally, not domestic Chinese safety standards.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest-byd-models-score-top-marks-in-euro-ncap-safety-test
Oh, dumping*.
It says market “dumplings” in your original comment, I thought that there was some kind of cool new economic term I didn’t know about.
Unions, regulations, etc. But none of that works without functioning democracy. That we barely have, but it’s better than none.
Due to experience, I don’t trust Chinese goods comply unless they are independently checked. That is reputation they have earned and now need to unearn. I don’t just blame Chinese manufacturers but also Amazon, Ebay, etc for enabling the sale of goods claiming they comply to standards they don’t.
Yes, dumping not dumplings, but yum. 😃
I doubt a democracy can function without unions any better than a union could function without a democracy.
It’s fine to be wary, but now that you’ve been made aware of the independent safety testing done in Europe by independent safety commissions of Chinese EVs, why are you still implying you need different independent safety testing?
I’m not taking about democracy without unions. I agree that would be bad. I count unions as part of the democratic process.
I hope the independent testing is done yearly, on random cars, not just once on the design. Chinese manufacturing has earned low trust from me and that will take time to repair.
I also have lower trust in undemocratic countries. Trade alone doesn’t improve how the act, and China is an example of that.
Got it. A lot of European countries are ostensibly democratic, and the European auto safety testing is fairly rigorous, same as the states.
Heres how they work:
https://www.euroncap.com/en/about-euro-ncap/how-to-read-the-stars/
Chinese arbitrary manufacturing mistrust is understandable, but their auto manufacturing standards are consistently independently affirmed as world-class while Tesla roofs and doors randomly fall off vehicles, for a bit of perspective on auto safety and manufacturing methods
Neither the US or the EU require annual testing for tested car models, which I agree would be nice.
China does not do altruism. Their car manufacturers are owned and subsidized by the government. They’re made to saturate and destroy markets with cheap goods, driving out the competition. Once there is no competition, they have the market to themselves and can manipulate as they see fit.
Weird that you are confusing such discrete, almost antithetical concepts as altruism and capitalism.
Yes, Chinese auto companies are trying to corner part of the auto market like every other car company in every country does.
And now they’re doing it with inexpensive EVs receiving top marks in safety and manufacture, according to the top global standards.
So you can whine about all car companies trying to sell a product(seems like a waste of time) or provide actual evidence that the safety ratings for Chinese EVs are false in some way.
Right now you’re spewing irrelevant tangents that have nothing to do with the EV industry.
He doesn’t want them to compete with Americans.
A totalitarian government that allows slave labor, genocide and wants to invade Taiwan. Really?
I think so. What are you asking, exactly?
You don’t get why we shouldn’t be trading with China And instead should ge enabling our own EV manufactures ?
So you’re pretending I’m making arguments I’m not because my comment makes you uncomfortable?
Have at it, I’m sure you’ll come out on top by arguing with yourself.
Your comments don’t make me uncomfortable. You just don’t seem to grasp why trading with China is bad.
You have no basis for that accusation, you’re playing make-believe.
It’s obviously difficult for you to engage in an honest discussion, though, so I can see why you make things up.
Here is a short list of why…
https://www.thestreet.com/opinion/china-has-a-history-of-selling-dangerous-products-to-us-consumers-13063992
This is specifically about independently tested high-scoring automobiles to European and Australian markets, not products released by American companies from untrustworthy manufacturers to Americans.
Your list has American companies choosing to sell dangerous and unregulated products to Americans until enough legal violations pile up, very different from China manufacturing and selling regulated and independently tested EVs to non-US markets.
You asked why not when the answer is self evident. Have a good night.
You answering your own make-believe comments is as self-evident as you avoiding my question.