A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      Haha. Some fight. Millions of people living and dying in poverty and malnourishment so they could do a mass shooting of 1,300 people. They really showed em!

      They have zero chance of fighting Israel and the only proper course for Hamas is an unconditional surrender and whatever peace terms Israel will grant them. They should be lucky to get the rights due prisoners of war. Usually you have to put yourself in a uniform to get those rights.

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        The Palestinian cause was already dying and it was only time before they were erased or expunged. What hamas did was revive that cause, even if you don’t agree with them killing civilians (which i dont either). Most Palestinians were already living in terrible conditions and not because of hamas but because of the israel blockade of gaza. Which rendered it essentially to concentration camp.

        The 1300 figure wasnt all by hamas. And from what we know so far about 300 were soliders, 300 were killed by israel themselves in the crossfire, and 300 were indeed civilians.

        So far hamas has done pretty good for it self and has made some losses for israel. At the very least you can see its not a victory for israel.

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          Bud anyone that died in the chaos on October 7 was killed by Hamas. That’s how criminal culpability works.

          The blockade too was caused by Hamas and its ideological allies and predecessors. Every fucked up thing about Gaza in 2024 is traceable to poor decisions by their own leadership. They turned every public institution into instrumentalities of international terrorism. Hamas is the enemy. It’s sad they have used psychotic interpretations of Islam to convince apparently significant portions of the Gazans public that Martyrdom™ is a civic duty, like where a legitimate state might have jury service or voting, but an evil, fanatical thing, not civic at all.

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        This is the reality no one wants to accept. Either surrender unconditionally, or be ethnically cleansed because it’s clear the rest of the world’s governments don’t care.

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            Yeah, and we’re 7.5 months into the war. Over all of WWII, the Nazis couldn’t kill all of the Jews (and everyone else they were trying to kill) in Europe. Give it time. If they’re allowed to keep this up, there will be a more complete ethnic cleansing.

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      …can you be more clear about what your comment means in reference to what I said?

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        “tunnels to commit terrorism from” is hardly objective. Terrorism is what oppressors call fighting for one’s freedom, and Israel is invading territory which is not theirs, ergo, your comment appears to be cheering from the wrong side of history. The way your comment stands, it seems to end on a different sentiment than it starts off with.

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          Before I engage with a blatantly Pro-Hamas statement, please first explain how Hamas is fighting for the freedom for Palestinians, including women and LGBTQ citizens.

          If unable, and you refuse to revise your Pro-Hamas stance, you will immediately be blocked.

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              Unless you are responding under a different account, I am going to give the original commentator a chance to respond and revise his statement.

              Claiming that the modern political apparatus of Palestine are mere freedom fighters is a lie, and I will not engage with it.

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                No, not same person.

                So in other words you’re a Zionist?

                GREAT! /s

                Every action has a equal and opposite action. Eg you attack civvies you create ‘terrorists’ aka Hama’s

                Israel created a problem that allows them to syphon money from other countries for committing genocide

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                  I believe both Jews and Palestinians deserve to live in their homeland. If that belief causes a few bad actors supporting Hamas to call me a Zionist as a slur, so be it.

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                    I believe both Jews and Palestinians deserve to live in their homeland

                    Yet your only concern has been for Isreal, the ones doing a genocide.

                    Excuse us if we don’t believe you at all

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                What does it matter if they have other political motives? The world is enabling their utter annihilation, children, babies, innocent people with no political ambition. That must be stopped before we wring our hands about what they might do with freedom. They are human beings, people with lives and families, not wild rabid animals.

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                  The world isn’t enabling a Palestinian annihilation. The world is working to resolve the conflict.

                  You guys need to stop pretending that you are the only good people and everybody else is evil. That’s part of the issue here.