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    It demonstrates precisely the opposite. All it shows is that change can be lost in a moment. And waiting around for it to strengthen only to then backslide into non-existence is not the solution. If we fought half as hard to build up the nation as the right does to tear it down, we’d be making a lot of progress.

    Slowly doing the right thing is not a virtue in and of itself. The only people who want slow change explicitly do not want the change to occur if it disrupts those who use inequality to opress.

    Do you think the civil rights movement was fighting for slow incremental change? That was a byproduct of the resistance to equality. They wanted it yesterday.

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      Everybody wants change yesterday, but they never actually get that. They don’t even get major immediate change. At best they get incremental progress.

      So when evaluating someone’s achievements, you can’t hold them to an impossible standard. Someone is not a failure if they were unable to change the past. In fact, they are a success if they deliver the best outcome that is actually achievable. And history shows that outcome is incremental progress.

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        I think you’re misattributing who the villains of progress are. MLK had attributed it to the white moderates that stood in the way of progress. I’m doing the same. The right is not a majority. If the moderates would play ball with the progressives, we could get a lot done immediately, but they refuse.

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          In order for moderates to play ball with progressives, progressives must be willing to play ball with moderates.

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            We do… all the time. We put Biden over the finish line, for example. And then yall ask us to do it again while refusing to throw us some bones.

            We are happy to compromise, but its supposed to be a give and take. Moderates never give

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              Leftist support of Biden is why we got mandatory union recognition, student debt relief, and corporate tax increases, all of which were championed by Bernie Sanders but previously had little support from moderates.

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                I think your definition of leftist is skewed by US media. Nothing listed here is even remotely left leaning. Again, I believe in the dissolution of capitalism. These are all capitalist policies. Unions are only nessessary to combat capitalism on thier own terms, student debt wouldnt exist without capitalism, and taxes wouldnt matter either.

                Yall are too narrow minded and are stuck in an industrial era mindset. Remember, US Democrats are right leaning in the rest of the devloped world.

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                  I am comparing Biden’s presidency to those of Obama and Clinton. All of those actions taken by Biden represent a significant shift to the left compared to his Democratic predecessors.

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                    Right, and both of those president were arguably less progressive than Nixon. What with the EPA and incredibly high tax rates. Forget about FDR

                    The historical context is that the Democratic Party moved incredibly far right to combat Reagan era policies and get wins from those kinds of voters.

                    To put it simply, I think your brain is rotted by US media. I think you lack all of the historical context that’s required to have an honest opinion.