I would argue with the current… state… of Israel and with the intl pressures and propaganda both who and when leaked it are quite relevant. It contains no context of who these people are (police, armed forces, paramilitary), who they are attacking (cant say I see any reason to treat the second one like that regardless), or why. It is absolutely framed as a random attack on civilians, but what is the context - is it a random attack?
Regarding who and when, there are significant propaganda campaigns on both sides and this provides considerable context. MEE was found to be editing historical videos and adding on Al Jazeera logos to make old recording look like they were Regarding events only a few hours old to spark outrage, Israel is… well being Israel… so there is much more behind this than a 32 second video viewed in Isolation.
Exactly, and that poster knows what they’re doing, and it’s not a quest for any truth. A form of gaslighting and covering up Israel’s well established apartheid now outright genocide.
Yes, poor you, we are harassing you for just asking questions about just the basics.
Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning—often about basic information, information easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points—with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. It disguises itself as a sincere attempt to learn and communicate. Sealioning thus works both to exhaust a target’s patience, attention, and communicative effort, and to portray the target as unreasonable. While the questions of the “sea lion” may seem innocent, they’re intended maliciously and have harmful consequences. — Amy Johnson, Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society (May 2019) [6]
It takes literally 1 googling for “Israeli military police” to verify that the uniforms and gear are the same. There are multiple signs in Arabic and at least one in Hebrew.
You can choose to keep pretending this is not painfully obvious but this is the last I’m responding to your sealioning trolling.
See this is the first issue I see - im arguing with someone else who calls them police, but you see them as soldiers. People can’t even identify who is who.
Right now the only thing telling me this is Israel is the title of the video, and one person telling me the signs in the back are the right language.
idk why everyone is angry about pointing out the limitations of contextless garbage content that asks the audience to substitute filling in the blanks with your imagination for journalism. Though tbf it seems like doing actual journalism on this kind of thing is a very dangerous occupation right now.
This is the point I’m trying to get across - three basic questions we learnt in primary school. Who is this, when did it happen, why did it happen/ why is it important? I’ve had one person tell me it looks like Israeli MPs, one say its police, and someone tells me it’s likely in Israel or a settlement. I’ve been called biased and worse more times than someone can answer the basic question.
The problem is that every article is designed to be read in three seconds, or watch a video that tells you how to react to it, with no authority or actual fact behind it.
Perhaps one should go to the website whose address is written in the corner of the video?
I struggle to find the article for this specific incident, because there seem to be over a thousand written articles, going back as far as 2009.
This does seem like a common theme with mass produced articles.
Another poster did provide quite a bit of information in one of my other comnents - it can absolutely be located to Israel/Palestine, 99% sure IDF based on uniform and all a blury patch comparison. Timing and story are up for debate, but issues can absolutely be drawn regardless of who the person is at the receiving end.
Questioning calling it evidence of Israel apartheid or individual actions, but it is a piece of a much larger puzzle.
I would argue with the current… state… of Israel and with the intl pressures and propaganda both who and when leaked it are quite relevant. It contains no context of who these people are (police, armed forces, paramilitary), who they are attacking (cant say I see any reason to treat the second one like that regardless), or why. It is absolutely framed as a random attack on civilians, but what is the context - is it a random attack?
Regarding who and when, there are significant propaganda campaigns on both sides and this provides considerable context. MEE was found to be editing historical videos and adding on Al Jazeera logos to make old recording look like they were Regarding events only a few hours old to spark outrage, Israel is… well being Israel… so there is much more behind this than a 32 second video viewed in Isolation.
Oh get off it. Sometimes a fucking video of police brutality is a fucking video of police brutality.
Exactly, and that poster knows what they’re doing, and it’s not a quest for any truth. A form of gaslighting and covering up Israel’s well established apartheid now outright genocide.
They do know what they are doing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Thanks for the link! Sealioning more succinctly describes what i was getting at with that poster.
Thats a new one.
The issue is that I’m not after Indepth analysis and mountains if information - im after the bare basics you would expect from journalists.
Yes, poor you, we are harassing you for just asking questions about just the basics.
Fuck off, troll.
Well let’s start with the first question - is this the police, is it the Israeli police, and how do you know?
I think it’s leprechauns.
Take your sealioning elsewhere.
At least a shamrock and little green hat would tell us something
It takes literally 1 googling for “Israeli military police” to verify that the uniforms and gear are the same. There are multiple signs in Arabic and at least one in Hebrew.
You can choose to keep pretending this is not painfully obvious but this is the last I’m responding to your sealioning trolling.
The soldiers were not trying to arrest these men. Only bully them. They were not expecting to be hit.
The video does not leave that much room for interpretation unless you are watching on a very low resolution.
See this is the first issue I see - im arguing with someone else who calls them police, but you see them as soldiers. People can’t even identify who is who.
Right now the only thing telling me this is Israel is the title of the video, and one person telling me the signs in the back are the right language.
idk why everyone is angry about pointing out the limitations of contextless garbage content that asks the audience to substitute filling in the blanks with your imagination for journalism. Though tbf it seems like doing actual journalism on this kind of thing is a very dangerous occupation right now.
This is the point I’m trying to get across - three basic questions we learnt in primary school. Who is this, when did it happen, why did it happen/ why is it important? I’ve had one person tell me it looks like Israeli MPs, one say its police, and someone tells me it’s likely in Israel or a settlement. I’ve been called biased and worse more times than someone can answer the basic question.
The problem is that every article is designed to be read in three seconds, or watch a video that tells you how to react to it, with no authority or actual fact behind it.
Perhaps one should go to the website whose address is written in the corner of the video? I struggle to find the article for this specific incident, because there seem to be over a thousand written articles, going back as far as 2009.
This does seem like a common theme with mass produced articles.
Another poster did provide quite a bit of information in one of my other comnents - it can absolutely be located to Israel/Palestine, 99% sure IDF based on uniform and all a blury patch comparison. Timing and story are up for debate, but issues can absolutely be drawn regardless of who the person is at the receiving end.
Questioning calling it evidence of Israel apartheid or individual actions, but it is a piece of a much larger puzzle.