You are entirely missing the point here. You seem so deluded by factionalism that you canât see this as anything but a democrat vs Republican issue.
This is a HUMAN GODDAMN LIVES issue. A literal genocide is happening and youâre playing the whataboutism game. âWhataboutismâ is used way too much as a phrase in discussions, but this is a textbook example of it.
âBiden is contributing to genocide.â
âBut trump is a criminal.â
âOkayâŠbut people are literally being slaughtered and starved on the USâs dime and the president is still voicing support in the face of the atrocities we are all witnessing.â
âBut trump-â
Just stop. No one here likes trump. We understand stacking domestic chaos on top of this issue is no good. But we are faced with no good option right now. The entire argument for voting for democrats over republicans is usually âbut we can push the democrats through shame to do what is right.â THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.
Weâre not playing politics. Weâre playing try to save some goddamn lives with civil disobedience.
Like, itâs something we all understand. But that doesnât absolve the Biden adminâs full-dive involvement. This administration is complicit in genocide.
That doesnât mean another president wouldnât be as well. The US as a country and entity is complicit. But thatâs what weâre trying to change by calling out the weaker linkâbecause the point isnât playing politics. Itâs stopping the genocide. Whatâs happening right now in Gaza is untenable. And Biden is supposed to be the better optionâagain, yes, we all understand trump would not be better. But that doesnât change whatâs happening. We need to be able to pressure our representatives, especially when they claim to be morally superior to the âotherâ party. And especially when theyâre more likely to change. We have Biden over the barrel because itâs an election year, and heâs seeing a ton of pressure from people he needs the votes of. Hats leverage we donât typically have. We need to use it. Also, itâs fuckin genocide. I donât know how else to say it. And it needs to stop. This isnât us claiming anything except we donât want whatâs happening to continue. Weâre not discussing the election. This supersedes it.
This is what we need to do. Because, the point is stopping the genocide. Not playing politics. And thatâs what you just canât see past. Like I said, we voted for Biden knowing he was supposed to be the more morally sound option. And here he is participating in genocide. We are trying to push the president who is vulnerable on this issue to do the right thing. Thatâs what needs to happen. BECAUSE THERE IS A FUCKING GENOCIDE TAKING PLACE. That fact isnât going away, no matter how much of a disaster trump would be. This president is vulnerable on the issue, and the point isnât politics. Itâs stopping a goddamn genocide.
What is your point youâre making here? Because youâre not saying anything anyone else doesnât know. But that doesnât we shouldnât be skewering Biden for this. Because he holds the reins of power. This is what we should be doing, if not more.
No, youâre still missing he point. The thread youâve been involved in, this thread, has been âbiden is complicit in genocide.â âWell trump is bad and would be worse.â
No one had said anything about the election when I jumped in except for you. But again, my point is this supersedes whatâs happening in the election. Youâre displaying factionalism. Democrat vs Republican is the arena youâre operating in.
There is a genocide happening. Full stop.
And it needs to end. That is where this conversation ends.
Saying, âwellâŠbut, the other candidateââ
No. This isnât about candidates. This president is in office for almost another year. People are protesting whatâs happening. The election only serves, in this situation, as leverage for us. Because this is bad timing for Biden because of the election. Thatâs its only involvement here. Except for your comments.
You canât see past the poison that is the two party system to understand that itâs not even part of this discussion. Genocide. No. End it. Thatâs the conversation. And you keep bringing up a person not currently involved in it.
If thatâs what the conversation I jumped into was, then this conversation and my point would be different. Check it out, Iâve made this point many times because Iâve seen this situation being leveraged to tilt the election away from Biden. BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
Making this conversation, where people are putting pressure on the president to save lives and stop a genocide, about bidenâs opponent in the upcoming election is wrong. Itâs a nuanced difference, but I canât make it any more clear. You either get that or you donât. And so far you donât seem like youâre getting it.
Not missing the point. Yes heâs complicit, never said he wasnât. I donât know why you think that that is what I think. Ignoring what can happen in November is short sighted. Iâm not saying to stop putting pressure, hell they need to ramp it up. You either get that, or you donât, and so far it doesnât seem like youâre getting it.
Jesus Christ, man. When the conversation is â_____ is ______.â and your entire argument is, âwell, what about _____#2?â Then youâre not agreeing. Youâre altering the topic of conversation, which runs cover for the initial topic by muddying the waters.
NOW youâre backtracking. But your contribution to the conversation was diverting blame. Until we all started calling you out. Maybe you do agree with us. But that wasnât what you were saying.
Thatâs completely unrelated. Biden is the current president, and he must answer for his decisions.
If Biden is concerned heâll loose to Trump over this, THEN STOP FEEDING THE GENOCIDE. Itâs that simple.
Wouldnât it be nice if trump answered for his.
You are entirely missing the point here. You seem so deluded by factionalism that you canât see this as anything but a democrat vs Republican issue.
This is a HUMAN GODDAMN LIVES issue. A literal genocide is happening and youâre playing the whataboutism game. âWhataboutismâ is used way too much as a phrase in discussions, but this is a textbook example of it.
âBiden is contributing to genocide.â
âBut trump is a criminal.â
âOkayâŠbut people are literally being slaughtered and starved on the USâs dime and the president is still voicing support in the face of the atrocities we are all witnessing.â
âBut trump-â
Just stop. No one here likes trump. We understand stacking domestic chaos on top of this issue is no good. But we are faced with no good option right now. The entire argument for voting for democrats over republicans is usually âbut we can push the democrats through shame to do what is right.â THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.
Weâre not playing politics. Weâre playing try to save some goddamn lives with civil disobedience.
Itâs not that âtrump is a criminalâ itâs that https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
It will continue/be worse under trump.
Like, itâs something we all understand. But that doesnât absolve the Biden adminâs full-dive involvement. This administration is complicit in genocide.
That doesnât mean another president wouldnât be as well. The US as a country and entity is complicit. But thatâs what weâre trying to change by calling out the weaker linkâbecause the point isnât playing politics. Itâs stopping the genocide. Whatâs happening right now in Gaza is untenable. And Biden is supposed to be the better optionâagain, yes, we all understand trump would not be better. But that doesnât change whatâs happening. We need to be able to pressure our representatives, especially when they claim to be morally superior to the âotherâ party. And especially when theyâre more likely to change. We have Biden over the barrel because itâs an election year, and heâs seeing a ton of pressure from people he needs the votes of. Hats leverage we donât typically have. We need to use it. Also, itâs fuckin genocide. I donât know how else to say it. And it needs to stop. This isnât us claiming anything except we donât want whatâs happening to continue. Weâre not discussing the election. This supersedes it.
This is what we need to do. Because, the point is stopping the genocide. Not playing politics. And thatâs what you just canât see past. Like I said, we voted for Biden knowing he was supposed to be the more morally sound option. And here he is participating in genocide. We are trying to push the president who is vulnerable on this issue to do the right thing. Thatâs what needs to happen. BECAUSE THERE IS A FUCKING GENOCIDE TAKING PLACE. That fact isnât going away, no matter how much of a disaster trump would be. This president is vulnerable on the issue, and the point isnât politics. Itâs stopping a goddamn genocide.
What is your point youâre making here? Because youâre not saying anything anyone else doesnât know. But that doesnât we shouldnât be skewering Biden for this. Because he holds the reins of power. This is what we should be doing, if not more.
I fully agree, he needs to be held to a higher standard. A lot of people are making it out to be that biden shouldnât be elected, so that âthe dems learnâ. Also it seems biden is listening. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-administration-pauses-one-ammunition-shipment-to-israel-reason-unclear/ar-BB1lRDdt
No, youâre still missing he point. The thread youâve been involved in, this thread, has been âbiden is complicit in genocide.â âWell trump is bad and would be worse.â
No one had said anything about the election when I jumped in except for you. But again, my point is this supersedes whatâs happening in the election. Youâre displaying factionalism. Democrat vs Republican is the arena youâre operating in.
There is a genocide happening. Full stop.
And it needs to end. That is where this conversation ends.
Saying, âwellâŠbut, the other candidateââ
No. This isnât about candidates. This president is in office for almost another year. People are protesting whatâs happening. The election only serves, in this situation, as leverage for us. Because this is bad timing for Biden because of the election. Thatâs its only involvement here. Except for your comments.
You canât see past the poison that is the two party system to understand that itâs not even part of this discussion. Genocide. No. End it. Thatâs the conversation. And you keep bringing up a person not currently involved in it.
If thatâs what the conversation I jumped into was, then this conversation and my point would be different. Check it out, Iâve made this point many times because Iâve seen this situation being leveraged to tilt the election away from Biden. BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
Making this conversation, where people are putting pressure on the president to save lives and stop a genocide, about bidenâs opponent in the upcoming election is wrong. Itâs a nuanced difference, but I canât make it any more clear. You either get that or you donât. And so far you donât seem like youâre getting it.
Not missing the point. Yes heâs complicit, never said he wasnât. I donât know why you think that that is what I think. Ignoring what can happen in November is short sighted. Iâm not saying to stop putting pressure, hell they need to ramp it up. You either get that, or you donât, and so far it doesnât seem like youâre getting it.
Jesus Christ, man. When the conversation is â_____ is ______.â and your entire argument is, âwell, what about _____#2?â Then youâre not agreeing. Youâre altering the topic of conversation, which runs cover for the initial topic by muddying the waters.
NOW youâre backtracking. But your contribution to the conversation was diverting blame. Until we all started calling you out. Maybe you do agree with us. But that wasnât what you were saying.
You make it sound like thatâs something youâd expect would happen out of his own volition?