Typical fear of missing out behavior. Folks flock to Threads to see what it’s all about, see that it actually sucks, and bail.
Yeah FOMO is a helluva drug. I’d be willing to bet that while there are plenty of users on the newplaform, people actually posting is not there yet, and with the lack of content for users to doom scroll they’re hopping back to whatever app they came from. Most people don’t give two shits about actually engaging with a given userbase, they just want to doom scroll content and zone out.
Why did they start calling it “Doom scrolling?”
It’s generally when you’re stuck in a loop of reading negative posts/articles. I think the phenomenon comes from how when you read a negative article/piece of news you feel down, so you want to scroll further in the hopes of seeing something positive to lift your spirits. But then of course it’s only more negativity, and so you keep going. And the algorithms of Twitter/Facebook knows this, so they don’t tend to help you find something positive.
Nothing positive is needed. It’s an outrage engine that keeps you involved by edging on the max level of disturbance you are comfortable to consume. Seeing, posting reactions, having likes enables you to keep it going.
Meta could learn a lesson or two in edging 😉
That’s fair, I don’t partake in that side of the web myself but when I get stuck in it it’s usually because I read something depressing and am scrolling desperately hoping for good news.
Covid era when many people had nothing to do, were more worried and anxious than usual, and the internet seemed full of concerning and bad news. The term has never meant that much to me personally. I’ve only regular scrolled.
I prefer Doom Metal.
I think alot of it relates to just scrolling through news and wanting more content/headlines. It’s not that users are necessarily seeking out bad news or “doom”, it’s just that, given the state of the world today <motions broadly>, that’s what a lot of the news ends up being. I think I often engage in “doomscrolling”, but I’m not doing it because I want to see bad news, I’m an information addict and I’m just trying to get as much content as I can. Reddit fed that habit well, but I’ve moved on from there. And it’s not necessarily a bad thing if Lemmy can’t feed that addiction, not seeing new content pushes me off and forces me back into the real world or on to other sites/apps. I’m fine with that, I hated my constant need to flip through Reddit whenever I was bored before.
It’s been a thing for a while, basically just mindlessly scrolling for hours on end on a neverending feed
I also think that there were linch pins with in the threads app, people followed shadow accounts for there friends etc. Now I wouldn’t be surprised if alot of those friends then didn’t get the app, making said shadow follow pointless
I wouldn’t say its FOMO, I think most people just had higher hopes for it as a direct Twitter replacement instead of the cesspool of reposters, uninteresting celebs, and wylin’ out social media managers that it serves up in its feed. I don’t mind Meta, I don’t mind that they want to eventually federate, I just wish the feed wasn’t pure trash.
All the celeb shit is the number 1 reason I always hated these platforms. I also feel like the only people somewhat defending twitter are those with a large following/celebrity status
That could be I guess.
Maybe those 10 Million new subscribers were just bots.
There were definitely “phantom accounts” created out of people’s instas who didn’t actually sign up.
Reminds me of the old saying: “how do you make a million dollars in the stock market? Start with a billion”
Start with a billion visitors, then snag 100 million, then keep 1 million then blaghole the site
It’s like movie companies boasting “BIGGEST GROSSING MOVIE OF THE SUMMER”
Yea but your Rotten Tomatoes score is, like, 10 Lol
Seeing how useless Rotton Tomatoes is as a barometer of quality, I’m not sure that the best metaphor.
This is expected? New service, people flock, it’s not for everyone that flocked, buzz dies down
I’ll stick with Mastodon in any case
Of course everything will “calm down” in due time, some after then others.
Once the FOMO of this wears off I still think Twitter will reign supreme (not that I care for either just saying)
Both can co exists it’s not always about who has the most users or engagement crap that gets thrown around now a days.
It’ll probably even out. More people will use multiple platforms, follow people where they are active etc.
I’m doubtful. Advertisers will prefer Threads. A massive install base in an app run by a company that has a proven track record of moderation that protects brands. Meta isn’t perfect but brands trust them.
That is true they are courting advertisements way more on Threads.
They gave up all their personal data to see a crappy algo-driven social media site. Meta still considers this a win.
They got nothing new. Just a few shitposts from Instagram users saying “I’m on Threads.”
What new personal information did meta get from Instagram users enabling threads?
I’m going to assume not all new users were Instagram users.
Pretty sure all new users are required to have an Instagram? I know for sure the two are linked. No deleting Threads without deleting your Insta.
The real answer is nothing, assuming they already had an Instagram account. People are all up in arms, but the majority of ‘signups’ were just people clicking the activation button as opposed to creating a new account.
That said, I currently will praise anything that takes more users away from Twitter. Lesser of two evils and all that.
As LTT said. Threads is the result of the Zuck flicking his tongue out and tasting blood.
But I mean we (society, not me, miss me with that) are still clearly subscribing to a social media site run by the lizard people and calling it an improvement.
Which says a lot.
You have to have blood to be a lizard. That man is as organic as my Playstation
And, unless your Playstation is broken, less fun.
…wait, scratch, that, even if your Playstation is broken, he’s less fun.
Zuck is not a lesser evil. He’s the same evil. And Jeffrey bezos this week is having a laugh because nobody’s paying attention to him at the moment.
Not that I disagree much, but… what a world we live in where Meta is the lesser of two evils…
Well, that’s enough internet for today, day drinking anyone?
🍻
Day dosing more like it.
I’d argue Meta takes the cake just with Cambridge Analytica in terms of damage. Let alone all the other shit. But yeah, choose between ebola and the black plague…
Plus, Elon is more likely to run Twitter into the ground than Zuck is Meta, so that alone makes Meta the bigger threat.
I agree, it’s amazing. Musk has been such a dumbfuck that he has managed to make Mark Zuckerberg look good by comparison.
Also Facebook
Health history and fitness status
Instagram doesn’t already collect that?
I think not
That surprises me. I assumed they took everything they could.
At least, they entertained me during a week or so.
I feel like what you’re talking about is complaining about someone taking a dump on another, much larger pile of crap.
If you were already on Instagram that ship has sailed.
Am I blind or is no one mentioning how they blocked all EU people via the api? Ofc the engagement is dropping when you block users.
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Threads never released in the EU in the first place, so this absolutely is not the reason for lowered engagement.
In an indirect way it could be though - not having the entirety of the EU on Threads is a huge non-starter for many people, as many of their favourite influencers, celebrities, companies, etc will be from the EU who were never able to get on it.
You were still able to use it in EU until very recently. I’m in EU and used it as many other people did.
It’s pretty hard to start working in the EU if you look at the absolute pile of data that Threads demanded. The GDPR paperwork to make sure they can get away with that AND still comply to GDPR would be more than the whole internet.
What I’m hearing from your statement, is that we need a GDPR-like ruleset in every country.
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Doesn’t seem surprising. It’s the new shiny thing and then interest wanes a bit. Probably same holds true of Lemmy IMO. That said Threads is now a viable replacement for Twitter and advertisers might decide one platform is a toxic cesspit and the other isn’t (and has some big crossover influencers) and spend accordingly. Even if it only hurts Twitter by a few % of revenue, that still more losses for Musk’s ego purchase and it should be seen as a good thing.
Threads is allegedly going to support ActivityPub so theoretically itself and Mastodon, and Lemmy could all have some kind of federated access to each other. But Threads is an enormous whale in a pond of minows so how that would work is anyone’s guess.
Social networks that end up being successful have a long initial growth phase. Interest waning after a couple of days is a terrible sign. Threads is already dead.
Way too early to proclaim that. You might as well proclaim Lemmy the same - after all, the controversy over Reddit will fade in time and so too will interest in moving away from it.
you forgot the other variable of spez/elon causing another controversy that reignites the interest tho
No hashtags, no anonymity…. Threads has no purpose and is likely to fail unless this changes
no anonymity
I doubt that Instagram users who willingly install an another app made by Facebook care about that lol
They want anonymity from relatives/friends. Most people don’t care much about advertisers knowing their interests.
“Last week, the text-based social media platform reported a record 100 million sign-ups in just five days.”
LOL The biggest bullshit of the year… Meta just created shadow accounts of all Instagram users, without their knowledge or consent…
Is there a way to check if a user account exists for my instagram account without logging in?
I saw this in browser: You can go the person Instagram account and see if they have a thread logo next to it.
people reported already having followers before ever using the platform, meaning all people automatically had an account created for them. that (and many other things) is also very legally problematic in the EU which is why the service isnt available here.
It’s not hard to understand what was happening.
- I follow Person A and Person A follows me on Instagram
- Person A signs up for Threads before me
- I sign up for Threads after
- Because we already follow each other on Instagram, Threads automatically made Person A follow me
The issue with the EU is you can’t mingle and mix user data from two separate services.
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Sole benefit of Brexit identified. We get to hand over our data to meta before you guys. It’s all been worth it.
“An account was already created for them” because it’s the same Meta account. You can just follow people when you start your account without them necessarily activating threads.
Not to mention all the spam bots they fail to actually ban after multiple people report.
Bots generate user engagement! Granted, it’s bad engagement, but it also generates jobs for the moderator
AIteams
Wasn’t it announced to be the case? So it’s “just” without consent, which is already bad enough.
Exactly. Everybody checked what is this about, then stopped gave shit and here we are
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100 million isn’t that much when it comes to Meta. There’s over 2 billion “active” Instagram users that all were prompted to download the app. That means only 0.005% of Instagram accounts fell for it.
I have no doubt that at least that many people tried it out. When I went to the Android App store, Meta was paying for a front and center promotion of Threads.
Eh… Check your math…
Right? Seems like he is off by a couple digits, unless we are missing something
where have you found 2x10^12 people
Well, technically… they said “users”, not “people”. Maybe there are 2E12-1E8 bots… 🙃
Your maths is a little off there: 100m is 5%
while you’re correct based on instagram’s numbers, the other commenter would be correct if it was a British billion which is a million millions. just a fun fact 🦄
That’s true, although the long scale billion hasn’t been a thing even in Britain for decades.
If it’s fun facts you like, try this: English is the clear odd one out, most other languages use milliard for 10^9 and billion for 10^12.
IT’S JUST A FEW DECIMAL PLACES GIVE ME A BREAK 😆
What’s a few decimal places among friends, right?
It’s Google Plus all over again.
If people wanted the bird app, they would have already got the bird app, if they don’t like the bird app, they would have got a Mastodon account.
It feels like the same reason that Reels isn’t doing well, people who wanted TikTok would have already got TikTok, you can’t force Instagram users to like Twitter/TikTok but on their Insta account instead.
Google+ had more than one thing wrong with it. Just for example …
The precursor to Google+ was called Google Buzz, and it was rolled out to Gmail users in a way that exposed privacy & security problems with Gmail contacts. This led to a lawsuit and a settlement which Google had to obey when releasing their next “social media” attempt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz#Privacy
As a result, Google+ became a heavy-handed effort that tried to hew closely to the settlement’s privacy & consent requirements while assimilating seemingly-unrelated projects such as YouTube comments.
IMHO Google+ had one good thing: Circles. You could define groups of people to share stuff with, without those people having to “join a group”.
I don’t think people understood it well, though.
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Just to point out many ex-Digg users are 30-40 years old. I would agree a 40yo normie who only use Facebook wouldn’t know about Reddit.
I’d say a lot of these 40 yo on Facebook actually got on reddit during the QAnon nonsense.
I’m not American so not sure about qanon.
Wasn’t r/the_Donald before Qanon?
There was ridiculous Q shit on reddit before Qanon became popular. In fact, that’s the first place I ever heard of it. I came upon a sub called, I think, cbts_radio (for “calm before the storm”) and was just like, what the fuck is this? It was a sub for off-topic casual discussion split off from the original cbts sub, and it was filled with the most ridiculous anti-Democrat/Hillary Clinton screechy conservative bullshit I’d ever seen. Qanon didn’t enter the public awareness for another couple of years after that.
Seems qanon is from 2017 and the_donald from 2015.
Mastodon is almost all 40yo white guys. Source: am one
And Misskey is mostly Japanese artists who need more privacy. Hence, Misskey is a Japanese product, and Japanese Twitter refugees might find Misskey useful. People should join any other Misskey instance instead, if Misskey.io is full.
Weirdly placed comment, but I do think these platforms need the advertising, so do continue to spread the word
I should have been more specific, what I meant was "people who want to use a microblogging platform but don’t like who’s running the bird app. "
But I would say reddit is mainstream enough that random 40 year olds probably has heard of it now, after all the large big profile celebrity AMAs, it’s the 10th most visited site in the world and 6th in the US.
It feels like the same reason that Reels isn’t doing well, people who wanted TikTok would have already got TikTok, you can’t force Instagram users to like Twitter/TikTok but on their Insta account instead.
I’m never going to download or sign up for TikTok. I know Meta isn’t really that great as far as privacy goes, but at least they don’t share information directly with the CCP. Fuck the CCP. IG Reels works just fine for me. I actually can’t stand the IG home feed because of the algorithm showing me what it wants to show me instead of a chronological timeline of the posts of the people I follow, so I mostly just use IG for stories and Reels.
Unless you live in China, are a Chinese national, or have someone living in China who could be used to blackmail you, then you shouldn’t care much about what data the CCP has on you.
Meta shares data with the NSA and likely any other US allies, so that might be a slight concern if you live in any country like that.
Lemmy makes all its data essentially free for everyone to grab, so… Hi CCP, Hi NSA, Hi CIA, Hi MI6, Hi FSB…
Yeah I hate that curated list bullshit. It made both FB and YouTube worse, too. And both were intended to manipulate users into spending more time there. Ironically, I haven’t been on as many YouTube dives into the random following interesting videos from the recommended ones since they started curating their list based on what you’ve previously watched (and seemingly picking one or two of them to tunnel vision on).
YouTube used to work by showing you videos that other people who watched that video watched, which was really great for music discovery. Now it shows me things that I already watched with a small sprinkling of new things. The front page still suggests things I haven’t seen before related to things I watched. I think they were pressured to make that change because it was taking impressionable people too quickly down rabbit holes of extremism… seems like it still does though.
I miss the old YouTube dives. You never knew where you would end up.
All social media based in the U.S. share information to the three letter agency, confirmed by the NSA leaks.
I trust America more than China. If some foreign government has to have my data, I’d rather it be America.
Why? Isnt a government that directly affects you a more immediate problem? Sure we’re not authoritarian, but the things the FBI, ATF, CIA, NSA, ETC have done sure look like it.
Same thing happened with Mastodon to an extent. Twitter migrants want a platform that is at least as “good” as Twitter.
Mastodon has at least as many features as Twitter, but almost no important users to follow.
Threads has a lot more important users, but far less features than Twitter.
Though Mastodon’s key advantage over Threads, is the fact that people are more willing to “believe” in the Mastodon project. Mastodon had no high-profile controversy yet. It is FOSS, the people are friendly and it is slowly growing organically with a few growth spurts here and there.
Meta Threads has the same image problems as Twitter. Zucc and Musk are probably equally controversial figures. I imagine people mostly joined Threads because of FOMO and group-think. There is no reason for most of them to use it over Twitter.
In the end tho, I don’t see Twitter being de-throned by either of these platforms.
Just: Honestly, we figure Twitter will keep staggering along until its servers implode.
Are the Threads user numbers being quoted still inflated because everyone with an Instagram account received a shadow Threads account?
OH IT WILL BE DETHRONED ALRIGHT, just NOT from mastodon
What do you think could dethrone it?
I wonder why.
Anyone signing up for a new Meta account isn’t going to be suddenly surprised at how invasive it is. The people who signed up for Threads obviously don’t give a shit about privacy, as much as I’d like to think otherwise.
I’ve had this conversation many times, and they always say something like “I have nothing to hide, so I don’t care”, to which I respond with “I have to hide, either, but nothing I want to share. Since you have nothing to hide and you don’t care, what’s your bank account number, tax ID number, credentials, etc. etc. I won’t use it for anything bad, promise.”
They still don’t get it…
Especially since there’s over 2 BILLION Instagram users. Why would anyone who uses Instagram have any concerns with Threads?
This is absolutely not a concern for 99% of people. As much as we (rightfully) scream about it on Lemmy and Mastodon, most people don’t care.
Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, and others are already collecting this information already, it’s so strange to see people acting like this is a new phenomenon.
We’ve been training AI models since picture based captchas.
Hell, we were training Google’s voice recognition back in '07 with GOOG-411
