95 Tesla deaths have involved fires or Autopilot. How the EV maker fares in fatalities per million miles.::Tesla deaths from fires and Autopilot make up 24% of the fatalities in crashes. Learn about the death rates per million miles and vs other cars.
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Business insiderBusiness Insider is notoriously anti-Tesla. The German company who owns BI is a large stakeholder in Porsche’s EV division. And their articles on German luxury vehicles are basically adverts. They literally have articles criticising Tesla for having video games in the car, then have articles talking about how innovative BMW is for putting video games in their cars.
This article went on for about 20 paragraphs just casting aspersions, and never once compared the numbers to any other manufacturer - making it all meaningless.
Much less deaths than without the feature turned on and much much less than other cars.
That also depends on what you include.
Tesla’s “Full Self-Driving” and Autopilot systems have been involved in far more incidents than driver-assistance systems from all other manufacturers combined.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk/
That site is behind a paywall to me so this might’ve been addressed, but to play devils advocate I’m wondering about the rate of incidents between Tesla and all other manufacturers combined?
Now it could just be that I’m in the Midwest, where we’re only ahead of the south when it comes to adopting changes, but I practically see no other EVs still other than Teslas. I’m talking 8 Teslas before I see one Chevy Volte or something
It should be normalized per mile. If it isn’t, then this data means absolutely nothing. Of course, we can’t read it to verify the claim.
Per million miles, in the lead
You don’t have to be an EV to have self driving features. My non-EV Audi has self sriving features.
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Autopilot systems have been involved in far more incidents than driver-assistance systems from all other manufacturers combined
Do they also get used more often than all other manufacturers combined? What matters here is the rate of accidents, and this statement tells us nothing about the rate of accidents.
The evidence for this claim is lacking.
Fewer
In 2016, the first known fatality linked to a self-driving car took place when a Tesla Model S failed to stop and crashed into a semitrailer truck.
Ah, this one is hard to forget. I remember this one vividly because it sparked all sorts of philosophical discussions around the use of self-driving cars. Hypothetical scenarios like “Between a family of 5 with children, should the car choose to kill the driver to save the family” and the different variations of the trolley problem.
Determining the responsible party was always a puzzle to me. The current state of auto-pilot requires hands-on attention from the driver, so the accountable party is arguably the driver. But with a fully autonomous vehicle, where the steering wheel isn’t installed, is the car manufacturer accountable for deaths and accidents?
But with a fully autonomous vehicle, where the steering wheel isn’t installed, is the car manufacturer accountable for deaths and accidents?
Yes
In the fourth quarter of 2022, Tesla said its cars using Autopilot recorded were involved in one crash per every 4.85 million miles — or 0.2 crashes per million miles. That’s compared with around 0.7 crashes per million miles for Teslas not using Autopilot, and a US average of 1.5 crashes per million miles. The company has not released any figures for deaths per million miles, or the total number of miles driven, which would be needed to calculate that figure.
Why do we trust Tesla’s figures? Elon is a pathological liar.
Independently collected evidence that does not rely on Tesla shows that Tesla’s are not safe.
This is FUD. You must pay attention at all times when using Autopilot, the car begs you to do so. Not paying attention is equivalent to setting cruise control in any other vehicle and closing your eyes.
Tesla runs ads saying that their cars drive itself and they don’t need a driver.
Can you provide an example? I genuinely haven’t seen that but I live a relatively advertisement-free lifestyle. As a Tesla owner, I’ve never heard that from anyone in real life either.
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While it’s always easy to blame irresponsible drivers, when you market your product as “full self driving”, the behavioral consequences of that decision are obvious, and yes, you share in the blame for the carnage you helped create.
Autopilot is not FSD. I agree the advertising of FSD is poor, but the FSD you’re thinking of is in beta, opt-in only, and also tries to force you to pay attention.
If someone is from the US, please explain it to me: how is this shit still legal there?
Isn’t there some regulations about what can you put on the roads? Aren’t you responsible to prove that your solution works before you get a green light to put it on the roads? Or was Autopilot ever approved by any regulator?
Honestly I don’t know how Tesla got past USA regulation on its autopilot. In the USA aircraft have to meet FAA safety standards. A new model aircraft has to go through extensive flight testing and receive FAA certification before it can go into production. I’m not sure who governs automotive safety in the USA, but they did something unusual to push through it. Either that or automotive safety regulations in the USA are just not that strict.
There’s also the fact the batteries they use can spontaneously catch fire (properly known as thermal runaway). I would think that to pose a big safety consideration, but evidently it’s not a problem for US regulations. There is a Li-Ion battery technology much less prone to thermal runaway (LiFePO4) and some cars use it. It’s greatly safer and has about five times greater battery longevity, but it’s also about twenty percent heavier. I think it’s a fair trade-off to avoid a fiery death.
In the fourth quarter of 2022, Tesla said its cars using Autopilot were involved in one crash per every 4.85 million miles or 0.2 crashes per million miles. That’s compared with around 0.7 crashes per million miles for Teslas not using Autopilot
Well if you can believe Tesla’s numbers, autopilot is still safer than manual. Though really I think the criteria for safety should be more strict than just being somewhat safer. Other car makers won’t take autopilot beyond self-park for good reason. It’s not that Tesla’s technology is so much better, other makers are just more responsible about liability.
Tesla vehicles are not safe: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk/
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They are some of the safest cars ever made:
https://electrek.co/2021/12/21/tesla-model-y-achieves-highest-possible-iihs-safety-rating/
Maybe if they remembered to do the quality control check.
These don’t test self driving features, which are the source of the problem. FSR and Autopilot are unsafe according to NHTSA data.
Euro NCAP test lane keeping, auto braking etc, and the 2022 Model Y scored 98%, the highest ever.
Do you own a Tesla? Basic autopilot is merely lane keeping combined with automatic cruise control. The car begs you to pay attention when you turn it on. Would you turn on cruise control and then take a nap? It’s the same thing. Users of autopilot need to pay attention at all times.
