• whoreticultureEnglish
    3·
    6 months ago

    Are you saying he’s more accelerationist than Trump was/is?

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      25·
      6 months ago

      Yes, under Trump libs generally agreed genocide and kids in cages were bad things, now they’re literally to the right of Trump on those issues

      • whoreticultureEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Hm, I don’t think it’s that … I think that they think Trump will be worse (like they think Trump will nuke Palestine).

        • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          14·
          6 months ago

          People who think like that are full of shit considering Biden has helped his Israeli friends drop the equivalent of multiple atomic bombs worth of munitions on Gaza in the form of bunker busters and high yield explosives, to say nothing of the white phosphorus weapons used

          And in what universe would Trump be allowed to drop a bomb that would rain fallout on not only Gaza, but Tel Aviv and Egypt too? It’s disingenuous nonsense and the libs know they’re full of shit when they argue like that

          • whoreticultureEnglish
            4·
            6 months ago

            Maybe some of them know it’s bs, I think a lot of them are sufficiently brainwashed into believing it’s true.

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      10·
      6 months ago

      Hundred percent. Even if Trump 2’s policies were the exact same, (which would be weird, since they governed in different situations) his loud boorish incompetence galvanizes liberal resistance to actions that we’ve seen them ignore and justify under Biden. Under Trump, liberals were marching in the streets against kids in cages. Under Biden, they justify kids in cages and genocide in Palestine. Biden is the business as usual candidate, and at this juncture in history there is no more accelerationist path for the US empire than business as usual.

      • whoreticultureEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        I’m kind of confused. Wouldn’t Trump be more accelerationist if he incites more backlash from the public?

        • TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          8·
          6 months ago

          While I absolutely despise the term ‘accelerationism’ , @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net is correct.

          The important thing to remember is that all a fascist is is a liberal whose freedom to pursue coercive exploitation has been challenged.

          Acceleration for Marxists is not about a degradation of public order (as liberals would have you believe). It is the acceleration and normalization of fascism, not just the heightening of contradictions. When center-right liberals can co-opt the left by standing with them in opposition to further right-wing liberals, tensions decrease and fascism is averted. However, if center-right liberals also stand in opposition to the left, they then normalize the fascism and rhetoric of the right as a method of ignoring public sentiment and punching left. This then allows for precedent that the right-wing liberals can use to justify their actions further, when they inevitably get back in power with less push-back from the center-right.

          The fact of the matter is that both Trump and Biden are accelerationist candidates. Hell even Bernie was arguably an accelerationist candidate, he just would have been an easier face to organize around.