The bridge suffered damage after one of its sections was blown up, killing two people and wounding a child.

Traffic on the single bridge that links Russia to Moscow-annexed Crimea and serves as a key supply route for the Kremlin’s forces in the war with Ukraine came to a standstill on Monday after one of its sections was blown up, killing a couple and wounding their daughter.

The RBC Ukraine news agency reported that explosions were heard on the bridge, with Russian military bloggers reporting two strikes.

RBC Ukraine and another Ukrainian news outlet Ukrainska Pravda said the attack was planned jointly by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the Ukrainian navy, and involved sea drones.

  • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    01·
    1 year ago

    Yes. I could not give a shit about “territorial integrity”. This is nationalism. I’m not a nationalist, I don’t like states especially bourgeoise states.

    You are putting nationalism ahead of people’s lives.

    That’s for the Ukrainians to decide

    No it isn’t. It’s for the Ukrainian rulers to decide. The people don’t get any choice in it, that’s the problem. And everyone that opposed this war was rounded up and arrested, every left wing party in the country was shut down, and the left wing tv channels were also shut down, all under the “they’re pro russia” excuse simply for being against the war. There is no “let the ukrainians decide” under that environment.

    • Nukemin Herttua@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      You really seem to enjoy crafting strawman arguments.

      • Ukraine is fighting an existential war. Boosting nationalism is a way to cope with that and survive. I hate that nationalistic shit myself, but in their situation Ukrainians are both allowed to express themselves in a nationalistic way as well as fight back. And from the viewpoint of opposing nationalism: the fact that Ukrainians are more nationalistic, was mostly caused by drum roll Russia.

      • Ukrainian rulers appointed by the Ukrainians in free and increasingly transparent elections. In representative democracy, it’s the representatives job to decide on behalf of the pople. Also, Zelensky is hugely popular president with support from the opposition too. Most of Ukraine support their leaders and they have a mandate from the people (especially the president).

      • You seem to confuse being leftist and a pro russian. The way I see it, they closed pro-Russian stations, some of which claimed themselves to be leftist. During a war, anti-war channels usually tend to go silent too (wonder why).

      As a person many would call a left leaning socialist myself, I find it astonishing how some self-proclaimed leftists are hell bent on claiming that Russian Federation was somehow a champion of socialist values. In fact, it’s pretty much the exact opposite of those and has nothing to do with leftist or socialist values.

      Also, if you identify as a leftist and support Russia to oppose the US or “the West”, you really need to:

      1. Read more about socialism, history and contemporary russian state.
      2. Look into the mirror and ask yourself: “Do I really want to side with Russia? Am I really a leftist?”. If you answer “yes” to both of these, return to point 1 and try again after some time.
      • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        02·
        1 year ago

        You really seem to enjoy crafting strawman arguments.

        What strawman did i craft?

        Ukraine is fighting an existential war.

        No it isn’t. As you will see when this ends with both a Ukraine and a Russia existing afterwards. This nonsense is just devoid of any realistic understanding of the circumstances that created this war or any general understanding of how wars end.

        Ukrainian rulers appointed by the Ukrainians in free and increasingly transparent elections.

        God I do hate the way americans speak “free and transparent” christ. It’s like talking to a robot. The current state was created in a US backed far right revolution. Under no circumstances can you call its elections “free”. The left in particular was not allowed to participate in the 2019 election, candidacy being refused. You can not call an election “free” while banning the left from participation and only putting up a bunch of utterly shit candidates that nobody wants, the man had a 31% approval rating and every single poll since the war began excludes the regions that matter most - Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea.

        You seem to confuse being leftist and a pro russian. The way I see it, they closed pro-Russian stations, some of which claimed themselves to be leftist. During a war, anti-war channels usually tend to go silent too (wonder why).

        There is nothing I can ever say to get you to stop using this as an excuse. For you, calling anything “pro Russia” enables you to close your brain down and ignore reality.

        I find it astonishing how some self-proclaimed leftists are hell bent on claiming that Russian Federation was somehow a champion of socialist values

        Absolutely nobody here has said that. You are now literally making shit up. Russia is a capitalist shithole and I want to see its end just as much as America.

        Also, if you identify as a leftist and support Russia to oppose the US or “the West”, you really need to:

        Once again you are saying things I have not said. LISTEN to the words I say instead of making up your own shit.

        Read more about socialism, history and contemporary russian state.

        I have read more than you my “left leaning” (lmao “hello fellow socialists!”) friend.

        Look into the mirror and ask yourself: “Do I really want to side with Russia? Am I really a leftist?”. If you answer “yes” to both of these, return to point 1 and try again after some time.

        Once again, you’re being a tit. You have invented a cartoon character in your head to imagine me as instead of actually listening to any of the words I say. I think this conversation is no longer worth wasting my time with.

        • Nukemin Herttua@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          What strawman did i craft?

          See your own post above😀

          No it isn’t. As you will see when this ends with both a Ukraine and a Russia existing afterwards. This nonsense is just devoid of any realistic understanding of the circumstances that created this war or any general understanding of how wars end.

          For Ukraine it is first and foremost a defensive war to survive as a sovereign state. It is not a matter of an opinion. Second aim is to cement their country as part of “the West” via EU and Nato. If you wish, I’d be to happy to hear what you think Ukraine is fighting for.

          God I do hate the way americans speak “free and transparent” christ. It’s like talking to a robot. The current state was created in a US backed far right revolution. Under no circumstances can you call its elections “free”. The left in particular was not allowed to participate in the 2019 election, candidacy being refused. You can not call an election “free” while banning the left from participation and only putting up a bunch of utterly shit candidates that nobody wants, the man had a 31% approval rating and every single poll since the war began excludes the regions that matter most - Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea.

          Yeah, I don’t like the way most Americans speak either. That however, has nothing to do with our discussion here (another straw man, yay!).

          The rest of your argument is just parroting what Russia has been saying at least since the beginning of their invasion. I suppose you are Ukrainian, since you know so much about how people there feel about Zelensky and the leadership? Because the stuff the rest of see from reliable, many times first hand sources, paints a very different picture from yours.

          There is nothing I can ever say to get you to stop using this as an excuse. For you, calling anything “pro Russia” enables you to close your brain down and ignore reality.

          Using what as an excuse? Calling a Russian supporter pro Russian? Blimey!

          Absolutely nobody here has said that. You are now literally making shit up. Russia is a capitalist shithole and I want to see its end just as much as America.

          Now we found a common ground of sorts. Although I am sure our view on how that can be achieved differ quite alot. Sorry that I assumed too much, but this is a common phenomenon that I see a lot on internet.

          I have read more than you my “left leaning” (lmao “hello fellow socialists!”) friend. Good for you then! Go you!

          Once again, you’re being a tit. You have invented a cartoon character in your head to imagine me as instead of actually listening to any of the words I say. I think this conversation is no longer worth wasting my time with.

          To be honest, that comment was not directly aimed at you, but to anyone identifying as a leftist and siding with Russia and repeating their talking points. I honestly believe there is a huge contradiction in there. I could’ve been clearer, but I still stand by those words.

          And just to make it clear, I did not wish to cause you any frustration or even win an argument. I just wanted to point out things in your arguments that I find peculiar or simply misreprestative of the situation with Ukraine and Russia. I am also genuinely interested in understanding where such opinions stem from. So no, I don’t see you as a cartoon character, just a fellow lemming 😘

          • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
            02·
            1 year ago

            See your own post above😀

            This is just not good faith and seeing this behaviour at the start of a post just makes me not bother reading the rest.

    • kklusz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Support for the war is high in Ukraine. Where did you get your sources for freedom of speech being suspended in Ukraine and people with anti war sentiments getting arrested?

      It’s ironic, you claim to care about the people, but you don’t care about what the people of Ukraine actually want.

      • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Support for the war is high in Ukraine.

        Unreliable after everyone that opposed the war was arrested, or taped to lampposts and beaten in the state’s terror campaign carried out early on. My friends won’t openly say anything to government sources or ““media””.

        Where did you get your sources for freedom of speech being suspended in Ukraine and people with anti war sentiments getting arrested?

        Every single left wing party in the country was literally banned. If you don’t support the war you labelled “pro russia”. It’s not difficult to find examples of these arrests, and it’s not difficult to find the videos of the terror campaign that was waged. If you want some of those videos I can go find them for you but it’s pretty distressing watching hundreds of very deliberately public beatings to put fear into people, I really don’t recommend.

        Kiev has however moved to outlaw more leftist and opposition parties, taking steps to make a temporary ban on 11 opposition groups in March permanent.

        Ukraine faced criticism after introducing legislation banning the import and promotion of Russian books and music on Sunday.

        One of the new laws will forbid the printing of books by Russian nationals, unless they renounce their Russian passport and take Ukrainian citizenship. This will only apply to those who held Russian citizenship after the 1991 collapse of Soviet rule.

        Another law will prohibit the playing of music by people who gained Russian citizenship after 1991 on media and on public transport.

        Such freedom!