One mom said she cried for 10 days after hearing she was being removed from her daughter’s birth certificate.
you have to be sub-human trash to be ok with this
right-wing political parties have '‘be sub-human trash’ written in their manifesto and yet people vote them into power.
From the article “Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, leader of the far-right Brothers of Italy party, made anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric a cornerstone of her campaign for office. She opposes allowing same-sex couples to adopt as well as marriage quality, calling civil union “good enough” for LGBTQ+ couples.”
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It’s not enough to carve out a portion of your sovereignty for the kid diddler cult to have a golden castle city guarded by foreign mercenaries, you also have to listen to their stances on parenthood, which they are, surely, experts, in.
Wow that was haunting to read. How much they hurt these people that just want a family is sickening.
look at their history. the cruelty is the point.
It’s not enough to carve out a portion of your sovereignty for the kid diddler cult
Huh, TIL the Catholic Church had lost all its territory to Italy and then later was granted some back (by Mussolini, no less) instead of having continuous sovereignty stemming from the Papal States and predating a unified Italy itself.
That’s the second time in two days that I’ve been about to “ackchyually” somebody but ended up learning something myself instead. I’m getting more and more impressed with the quality of discussion here on Lemmy.
The thought that keeps me sane through this is believing that the pendulum swings both ways. We have to accept that there are people who like this, and I’m going to hate them for it, but opposition will always exist.
On the whole (a long time) things in society have improved and they’ll continue to improve over time. It might just be our lot to have a shit round.
Except for climate change. That’s existential.
earlier, i wrote a comment saying not to use fascism to hate humanity; at the same time, the fact that fascists are also human is something we have to acknowledge so we can stop our loved ones from falling into it
Italy: Women’s role are to raise children.
Also Italy: No, not these women!
Shan-Yu: How many women does it take to raise a child?
Archer: *pulling the bow string* One.
Disgusting comments from some pro-lifers on this thread. Throwing this child into an orphanage when they had a stable family already is the anti-thesis of pro family doctrine. It’s hypocritical ultra right wing bigotry. All that remains of the right is their absolute hatred of the left. This really is the death of right wing majority governments. We saw their true colours during the January 6th capitol hill insurrection, during the BLM protests, during the Ukraine and Syria conflicts where Republicans teamed up with foreign enemy governments and during Obama’s presidency.
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The idiots are no longer ashamed of being stupid.
These are the kinds of people who go to a book club meeting every Sunday for a book that clearly non of them have ever read.
It’s insane that ultra-right fascists (in Italy and America at least) always define themselves as “Christian.”
Christ would flip tables on them and pull out his whip
This sounds really bad and I’m afraid it’s even worse than it sounds. For example, end of 2022 Italy introduced a law which bans certain types of harmless assemblies (rave parties) of more than 50 people (participants can be put to jail for up to 6 years). This is paving the road for cutting possibilities of people to protest against their government. (Imagine, there is a a protest and somebody plays music. The government will see a rave party.) Yet the Italian government seems to have no problem with 3000 neofascists visiting the hometown of Mussolini. And now this.
I’m curious if you feel the same way about Italy and nearly every other country already banning protests because “it’s for yours or others safety” like they dd when they passed extremely Draconian covid policies.
And this is not hypothetical. Police didn’t allow people to manifest against the gov.
What you say is bad, but it I hope people would be consistently appalled. Not just partisan based.
This isn’t completely true. The right of assembly is a constitutional right in Italy within small limits (the assembly must be peaceful, without firearms, and requires a notice to local authorities if it uses a public space, see art. 17.
Now, I don’t believe that a rave party falls within those protections as it isn’t protected speech (and I don’t believe there is a place where it is).
Italy will continue to have protests and marched, usually with music because Italy.
I really hope so.
I think the argument is more that the government could use these laws to categorise a protest with music (lawful) as a rave (unlawful) and arrest those involved, thus discouraging further protests.
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I appreciate it’s a bit of a slippery slope argument, I was just clarifying the parent comment’s argument. I’m not sure how much your retort adds to the argument though.
It isn’t a slippery slope if you are on it, it is just a slope.
I dunno man, two dads sound fun, but 1 mum was enough for me.
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Spain? That’s extremely disappointing. Spain was my backup plan if the United States decides to do a genocide. I guess it’s Canada now?
Italy was mine…
No dude, they’re not fascists, they’re socialists. Social media says everyone in Europe is to the left of America
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Facists announcing that they will oppress minorities when they’re being voted into power.
Gets voted into power. Oppresses minorities.
People
So what happens when a trans lesbian has a kid with a cis lesbian in the usual way children are made? Does the kid lose their sperm donor as a parent??
It’s 52.2degrees in China, and we are worrying about this shit still
EDIT TO CLARIFY: I think people should be able to have a family made up of who ever they want. Being in a traditional family does not magically guarantee a safe space
This, and all the other extreme events happening all over the world, is exactly why these extremists are so succesful.
Right wing populists provides very simple (but of course blatantly wrong) answers to all the problems in the world: It is the fault of the minorities. It is much easier for people to accept such simple but moronic “solutions” instead of having to deal with the fact that reality is complex and that some problems are very difficult to solve.
These fascists are only going to get more succesful as things gets even worse. The economy is going to get gradually worse for the common man, the number of climate refugees will keep rising, wars for resources will occur (creating more refugees) and fascists will thrive with their seemingly simple solutions which will only help make matters even worse, since they will do nothing to combat climate change or change the economic system, and their nationalism will only make the risk of wars starting even greater.
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The ones in Italy are fascists. The current party is directly descended from the neo-fascist MSI which was founded by fascists after the war. The PM has been part of it and its successor parties since she joined the MSI Youth Front in the 90s as a teen.
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Try to maintain your humanity and empathy for others, or what point is there to persist in our warming world?
This and the recent 10 second groping rule has Handmaid’s tale written all over it. Horrible and disgusting.
And so it motherfucking begins 🤦
Where have you been for like the entire Berlusconi administration
But the mayor of Padua, Sergio Giordani, is defying the government’s orders and continuing to issue birth certificates recognizing two-mom families.
God bless this man. May the rest of Italy be so bold!
There is no good reason for this and this will cause a large amount of issues, let alone the pain it causes to the families affected by it.
This doesn’t seem purely populism for the anti-lgbtqia+ crowd, it seems too nuanced for that. I’m guessing it’s waiting until a high-placed official of the catholic church voices his support for Meloni during her next campaign.
EDIT: It already happend, she was endorsed by a Cardinal and several other members of the Italian church.
Lmao tell me again how the US is soooo far to the right of “Europe”
I worry about them sometimes. If your entire culture is focused on a different one…
My daughter would loose her second mother though she has been there for her since birth and even before that.
My wife would not be allowed to sign a document for our daughter or visit her in the hospital when she is sick.
I absolutely don’t know how the Italiens can accept such a move.
