If only the US democrats and republicans hasn’t lobbied and pushed for this war to happen.

Oh I’m sorry. Forgot you can’t say that and we have to pretend Russia woke up one day and decided to invade… Sigh.

Lol. Fuck off. Objective consensus? Are you part of team “trust the science” thinking every fucking study is well done or non biased?

I’m curious if you feel the same way about Italy and nearly every other country already banning protests because “it’s for yours or others safety” like they dd when they passed extremely Draconian covid policies.

And this is not hypothetical. Police didn’t allow people to manifest against the gov.

What you say is bad, but it I hope people would be consistently appalled. Not just partisan based.

No it’s not. And for every account you don’t have a shared history. You don’t build a community.

Also, which are those apps you talk about? Because Jerboa doesn’t seem to be great for that. Switching between accounts is needed and quite annoying.

We are much less beholden to power tripping arseholes here than on a platform like Reddit

No. You’re way more beholden. The adminmod rules it all. What you see, who they federate, etc and it’s all defended by rabid users because “if you don’t like it leave and build your own instance*”. It’s not about community but instance owner absolute power.

Doesn’t quite work unless you’re absolutely in line with whichever narrative is happening. The echo chambers are bigger and the consequential toxicity upon dissent, much bigger.

They already did. Every user wants their specific admin led circlejerk with no disent. Else you’re a nazi. You don’t like it? Make your own instance.

Lemmy is not it, as it stands. Not whil users di y have cross instance user control and don’t depend on admins which are a worse version of power hungry Reddit mods with a more fanatical crowd.

Can you suggest that smaller instance? Meeaw and sh.it, the 2 instances I tried keep defederating left and right and justifying bullying as long as it confirms to their political opinions.

It’s hypocritical, circlejerky and boring. Made me go back to Reddit. I don’t understand how this paradigm of no user control without the absurd friction of self hosting is better for the user unless you’re a niche authoritarian who is fully subservient to some admin.

The friction is too high each time. Compared to Reddit without offering that much value. Hell, that Blocklist admin is good and owns your user Paradigm makes for very inflexible and circlejerky interactions

Love it or leave means total consent or fuck you. That’s not a community. It’s a cult.

Nazi shit. A big claim. I don’t care to talk with people who sees Nazis everywhere, you’re exactly the type of authortiarian user I’m talking about.

If my country has a different policy than your political party of choice, probably in the US, then suddenly I’m a nazi for even having an opinion. Don’t worry, I’m also a nazi for being against X war and a nazi for being for free speech, and a baby killer for X in another more pro abortion place and whatever.

Lame thinskinned authortiarians are exactly those who are attracted with this insanely top down lemmyworld. The type that will seek a cause and a self defined victimhood status in order to have different rules so they can abuse others, because you’re right and it’s “the greater good”.

Yes. I also can develop my own social website. Both are efforts that are not worth it to undertake to just participate in this environment, which, will make the default barrier of entry a ridiculous one (or an authortiarian minded one).

No. It’s not. When the power is on decentralized Ids that the instance doesn’t have so much power over, then it will be more interesting. As it stands, it offers actually less than Reddit, which is incredible to me (I’m super onboard with descentralization and user power but this is not user power).

Actually defederated as it works here means one party has way more power than in centralized Reddit.

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/511746

It ruins it for anyone who is not deeply in agreement with the admins.

It’s admins and groupthink over users. And zero stability or discoverability. Friction with little to gain unless you’re in authoritarian lockstep

That can be used by any authoritarian claiming to be the greatest good.

It’s great to bully and censor but inevitably ends in subjugation.

That’s the types that want this end up in very small circles or simply agreeing with whatever authority sells.

Except the user had actually more power to create a positive experience with heterogeneous content in the centralized Reddit than here.

The problem is that this and other places were sold as reddit alternatives and they’re actually worse than Reddit in that, on Reddit , with one account you could choose what to see and when (akin to controlling your own federation). If you didn’t like a mod team you could choose another sub easily. Same account. You could keep looking at the same place too.

Federation at the admin of an instance level means all that has a high cost (account per instance), you don’t get to see all at once due to the need to switch accounts and communities are fragmented.

There’s also a very clear thin skinned authoritarian attitude that seems to promote bullying against any type of dissent while claiming some sort of moral authority.

Lemmy is broken as a Reddit replacement. By not having the onus on the user but on the admin, and seeing the attitudes from the recommended major instances, it has little chance to generate diverse or interesting content and communities. Just very narrow and small, toe the line places with poor discoverability.

Shame.

Edit: in Reddit communities were above mods. In Lemmy, it’s potentially/in practice whiny Mods complaining about anyone in their community that doesn’t fully agree with them and having the power to completely ruin their account. Much worse.

If you don’t like the Reddit change you’re free yo go… if you don’t like this you’re free to go.

Yeah. I get it. It’s just so limiting. It’s not sold as “the forum where God like admins get to say exactly how things go an malleate at their willing”. Even forums had people do their own stuff without breaking or mass banning every 5 minutes.

Your last point on “this is no different to reddit” is amazing. Yes. It’s different. Right now it’s worse. Less people who contributeless and destroy the shape and userbase of the network everytime they don’t fully get their way.

It’s really looking worse. In subs, mods with power trips could be easily replaced. Here you need an account per instance and the subs get fractured.

I thought it was just beehaw but holy hell the entitled attitude to not have to listen to any type of dissent ever. Don’t worry, you won’t be exposed to too many users. You’ll get your wish.

Dude. Every other politician out there in the last 3 years had a good record of being intolerant to people who claimed “my body my choice” but you won’t care because “it was wrongthink”.

It’s not hard to find repubs and dema saying heinous shit and pushing war or hate against opponents but we have to pretend Trump is somw terrific thing. The patron saint is a bullshit. Strawman.

The type of crowd that gathers around wantijgn to ban dissent is actually worse and more damaging. You can only end up as a one narrative circlejerk if you go down that path. Specially when defederation seemiike a frequent thing.

Instead of leaving it to the useer, it’s as if you want to change it to "follow the list of this mainstream person/newspape’.

How isn’t it political? TD was a rare manifest of a different idea having prominence and being subsequently attacked because “how dare it exist” at which point it went full “attack back” ans it became a ridiculous battle until the admins of Reddit decided they would go back to controlling narratives because the ad money wasn’t that good.

Same as trump being banned for twitter. It IS political. There’s one political party in the US that is treated as “literally evil” and we are supposed to get on board and fight amongst each other instead of pointing how corrupt and entrenches the parties are and.how auperficial de battle. Is.

But hey, if we pretend the whole world things in US terms and that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to identity politics and bullying with self perceived moral superiority then of course TD and similar “wrongthink” has to be banned.

Except I’m not American but I’m responding to a post about TD which triggers too many people by simply existing apparently. I wouldn’t have even known if this post didn’t say it.

And I don’t agree with your take. I think the whole left right dichotomies are usually quite bs and people want to bundle stuff like a cellphone plan and most people just go along with no capacity to think for themselves.

And the same goes for anything else. You don’t like r/politics being a bastion for US democrat biased ans bullshit propaganda? Block it. You don’t want to see republicans talking about being republican (the horror), block it.

And don’t pretend we all need to agree on everything and be as shittily outraged with the next US centric Google manipulated narrative.

It’s hard to praise Reddit and Lemmy users for that either since they will be absolutely bigoted towards anyone they perceive not falling in line about narratives like trump, Ukraine, war in general, covid, environment, abortion, speech, gender, and more stuff I’m probably forgetting.

The scale of identity privilege allows for quite a lot of hate and bullying as long as it’s in the right direction (but it’s always very US centric, which is hilariously pathetic).

Everyone i don’t like is a Nazi/tankie/label. The internet is so predictable and boring around this.

Doesn’t help when tech has sided with one US political party and we have to pretend that people need to fight amongst each other on identity bullshit issues instead of the political and corporate class doing whatever they want with their power imbalance

But hey, blue Vs red, this Vs that. Cry victim and bully…

We need users to curate their own content instead of demanding circlejerks of identical ideology and inconsistent rules.