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Do I really have to read past this word?
No. I tried. It’s barely coherent.
Betteridge’s Law of Headlines: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word ‘no’.” A check of the ebuild indicates that Firefox on Gentoo doesn’t depend on systemd, elogind, udev, or even dbus. It isn’t Firefox’s fault if a given distro can’t configure it and its dependencies properly (well, okay, it sorta is, because its configuration setup is complex and ugly, but . . .)
For $DEITY’s sake, if you’re going to be anti-systemd, do it for real reasons.
This article reads like the writer has untreated mental health issues. Like actually unhinged.
The writer reminds me of Terry Davis, except not as bright.
Until someone can provide actual, techological disadvantages of systemd over currently available, viable alternatives, this is an irrelevant culture war for me. I feel like some people made hating system-d a core element of their identity and personality.
I don’t like so no one else is allowed to like seems to be rampant.
I feel like some people made hating system-d a core element of their identity and personality.
Basically this these days. It started out with people not liking change, not liking the author and miss-understanding what systemd is trying to do. Then latching onto some aspects of it and refusing to let go or change their minds at all.
The tragedy of systemd talk goes over a bunch of the common reasons (and counter points) about why people don’t like systemd as well as the history of init systems.
One thing i can think of is that systemd won’t work in chroots(tell me if i’m wrong, help!). That is, apps requiring systemd cannot be run in chroot environment as it does not “boot up” at all. Systemd, due to it being an init system used to boot up, and being a daemon for other apps, makes it that you can’t run such apps in a non-booted environment.
I would like it so much if it was splitted into two something like “initd+systemd” or “systemd+servicesd” for boot up and running services seperately. So you can choose your init system or not to have an init system for chroot.
At first sight, it looks like it can be used with chroots thanks to
systemd-nspawn(I haven’t tried it though)This looks like a replacement for chroot itself. It would be better if i can spawn a systemd process inside chroot that take care of services. And i can’t understand why it wants to stick into PID 1 of host even when running in chroot.
Hard to read. At first I thought it was satire.
Jesus Christ that author is insufferable.
He sounds like a bitter, stagnant, arrogant old man.
This whole anti-systemd thing is so pathetic.
“This whole anti-Microsoft thing is so pathetic. Just use Windows.”
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What’s stopping anyone from maintaining the ONE PURE SYSTEM-FREE DISTRO ™?
Nothing. Actions have shown that distro maintainers overwhelmingly prefer systemd because it’s way easier to maintain than sysv init (from what I hear anyways). I’d put money on the author of the blog not being a distro maintainer - just some guy that complains on the internet.
Angry old man angry
Damn, You weren’t kidding. the article would be comical if it weren’t so worrying for his mental state.
There are plenty of Systemdless forks of distros. People do maintain and it works well. However, the issue is to make the forks its incredibly labor intensive for coders and while not impossible to remove systemd, it’s extremely hard. When base apps require systemd, it locks you down to that one system which is why people hate it so much. It centralizes code and the systems and prevents ease of choice. Does it work? Yes. Though even if it doesn’t affect you or your thoughts, its good to understand why there is a divide. I personally use Artix Linux at the moment with S6 as my init system and it works great. I get why people like Systemd, but I feel it sterilizes our freedom of choice like a frog in a pot of water.
We should think about starting a GoFundMe to get the author the mental health support they so clearly need
This post reads like a sysadmin tried to update to the latest Ubuntu LTS at work and systemd caused a C&A team to go aggro because they’ve never heard of it, and now said sysadmin has to maintain a couple of hundred 12.04 LTS installs by hand, backporting packages from 22.04.2 LTS just so the cutting edge software the userbase requires to do their jobs will run.
The author of this article:
The last several lines are so insanely unhinged, completely untethered from reality lol.
Also, when this guy learns about X11 vs Wayland he’s doing to die of an aneurysm.
I couldn’t understand exactly what the problem is… and the writing style is infuriating. State your problem, then explain what you want!
People like that make me like systemd. Honestly, I see no issues and rarely have a problem with systemd. Shitposting about it is all well and good, but being an anti-systemd evangelist is tiring and weird. All these old heads can still just grab the kernel and build their own OS around it with whatever init they want.
I may agree with him/her, I may not. But that’s unreadable.
