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This community does not affirm practiced LGBTQ+ lifestyles

Rule 8 of this community is in clear breach of the first goal from the lemmy/mastodon.world code of conduct

  • TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world
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    We don’t need to pull the marketplace of ideas thing when the “ideas” being defended are things like “I don’t think LGBTQ+ people should exist / are sinners”.

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      aka the paradox of tolerance which isn’t a paradox but a treaty but people know the name “paradox of tolerance”. we’re in pretty good philosophical company on this one: slippery slope and “but free speech” arguments have clear counters

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        Frankly? When the thing they think is bigotry, no it is not ok. This isn’t a casual difference of opinion, it’s discrimination - thinking that an immutable part of someone’s identity is a fundamental sin.

        We do not need to adhere to free speech absolutism, and we do not need to equally entertain all ideas and opinions. We are human beings, not abstract concepts that adhere to ideological purity - we can make exceptions.

        • plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org
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          So disagree then. Even though I think your suggestions are as dangerous as the bigotry, it’s a part of the diversity of thought I’d like to see in an online forum. There are 2.6 billion christians in the world and 1.7 billion muslims. And according to you they should all be deplatformed. That’s more than half the worlds population instantly dismissed by you as bigots because they believe in the book of fairy tales they were taught to believe in. I disagree pretty strongly with their views, but they have a right to exist on the internet. Unless they’re actively organising a pogrom or a crusade, you’re not helping anyone by deplatforming them. And even then, they’ll just find another place to organise it - personally I’d like to keep it visible. Both as an early warning system, and as a chance to have the sunlight do the disinfecting.

          • TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world
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            I don’t think all of those people hate LGBT.

            And, honestly, to think that deplatforming bigotry is just as dangerous as bigotry is absurd to the point where I don’t think any reasonable discussion could be had here anymore.

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              Running around deplatforming people who think Bad Things but haven’t hurt anyone is seriously anti-enlightenment, and I think it’s equally absurd you can’t see the danger in it. But I am still glad that we have a place that we can have this conversation.

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                people who think Bad Things but haven’t hurt anyone

                “People who think bad things but haven’t hurt me personally, ergo they haven’t hurt anyone”

                Why don’t you go ask trans people in Florida whether Christian bigotry has hurt them or not

                Or were you just talking about physically hurting people? Because it would be naive to think that’s the only way you can make someone suffer. It’s also not true, Christian extremists have attacked and even killed trans people and continue to do so.

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                  Awesome. You’ve definitely changed my mind. Let’s get em! In the name of tolerance let us make sure there is no safe space for anyone to discuss the Bad Things. This is sure to be effective at reducing the proliferation of bad ideas, and certainly does not undermine the marketplace of ideas.

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          What about the phrase “sunlight is the best disinfectant”?. You can allow people to air their opinions (regardless of whether you believe they’re bigoted or not) and it’ll hurt their cause. Alex Jones is nothing but a meme now because of having a platform.

          Doesn’t banning these people prove their ideas and conspiracies right and force them deeper underground?

          If they aren’t promoting literal violence, leave them be. Just because they upset some people isn’t a reason to ban them.

          The Westboro Baptist Church is a prime example of airing their foul opinions causing almost a complete exodus and switch on behalf of the church members. If you think you’re right, try to convince them.

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            When the “opinions” being aired discriminate against other people or could lead to an avoidable death from dangerous misinformation, it should not be allowed.

            Deplatforming works. Yes, banned people will leave and try to congregate somewhere else - but it is better that they are removed, so that the impressionable and the vulnerable are not hurt by their bigotry or misinformation. Besides, how many people have you honestly seen have a core belief successfully challenged and changed on the internet?

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              I was one of those people, I’ve been changed. I know a lot of other people too. Maybe try to look outside of an echo chamber sometime.

              • plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org
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                Same here, and the orthodoxy enforcement brigade here reminds me a whole lot of the conservative religious folk I grew up around. Bizarre.

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            If you want to talk to them, go somewhere they congregate and talk to them. It’s not like such places are rare on the internet. Not everywhere needs to be a platform for hate.

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              You do realise that every single social platform favours your way of thinking? You are pretending like you aren’t fully in charge.

              All you need to do is shout “my feelings!” and you get results. Like toddlers shouting for cookies.

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                You do realise that every single social platform favours your way of thinking?

                Really? 4chan does? How about exploding-heads? reddit? What unmitigated horseshit.

                All you need to do is shout “my feelings!” and you get results.

                You’re whining that bigots aren’t welcome here. Your poor feelings. There’s already too many places that are as stormfront-y as you’d prefer. Not everywhere has to be.

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                  There were a total of 12 threads there and not one of them was the slightest bit bigoted. Get a grip.

                  “WHO AM I TO JUDGE” – THE POPE’S COMMENTS ON GAY PEOPLE (dilw.ie)
                  Giving this post the old litmus test to see how admins vs mods handle this. Tread carefully :3 Nobody’s closer to Jesus in rank than the Pope.

                  @FizzlePopBerryTwist avatar FizzlePopBerryTwist@lemmy.world, 1 hour ago
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                  Does anyone else feel churches are pushing gendered Bible studies way too hard? (kbin.social)
                  Maybe it’s because I was growing out of youth groups, but It seemed to me that coed Bible studies used to be more of the norm. Now all of a sudden we have men’s groups and women’s groups. And men’s groups are all about Bible, throwing axes and equating 400 pushups to mountain climb your way into heaven. And women’s…

                  PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world, 1 day ago
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                  This Sunday, pray for missionaries that are overseas. (kbin.social)
                  You can pray for missionaries in general (which is great), or you can ask your church about specific missionaries they support (which is also great).

                  soviettaters@lemmy.world, 2 days ago
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                  How was Church today? (kbin.social)
                  What was being preached? Did you learn anything? Do you have anything we can pray for?

                  Rokk@lemmy.world, 1 week ago
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                  How was Church? (kbin.social)
                  Tech difficulties meant worship was disorganised this morning, but 5 people were baptised in the sea so it was awesome…

                  ccunix@lemmy.world, 2 weeks ago
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                  What are you grateful to God for today? (kbin.social)
                  I’m feeling convicted about some sin I’ve been struggling with. Thankful that I can approach the throne of grace with confidence where I can find mercy, be freed from shame and cling to God’s strength as I seek to be holy. Praise Jesus for his love that has made this relationship possible…

                  lach@lemmy.world, 2 weeks ago
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                  Take care of your pastor. ‘Exhausted’ pastors suffering decline in overall health, respect, friendship: study (foxnews.com)
                  @TheOneWithTheHair avatar TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world, 3 weeks ago

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                  Ace Lifestyle? (kbin.social)
                  I was reading the rules and it said “This community does not affirm practiced LGBTQ+ lifestyles, with the exception of the ace lifestyle in certain contexts.”, what is an “ace lifestyle”?

                  ChristusRex@lemmy.world, 3 weeks ago
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                  What do you need prayer for? (kbin.social)
                  There’s only a few of us right now, but we should pray for one another. What do you need prayer for?

                  @average650 avatar average650@lemmy.world, 4 weeks ago
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                  How important is love to Christianity? (kbin.social)
                  Is love simply one of the attributes of God, one of the more important attributes of God, or is it the entirety of who God is?..

                  Live_your_lives@lemmy.world, 1 month ago
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                  Five Loaves And Two Fishes (biblescenes.blogspot.com)
                  flyfaith@lemmy.world, 1 month ago

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                  Introduce Yourselves (kbin.social)
                  Greetings, everyone! As many of you know, there is a huge influx of new users coming to Lemmy from Reddit. This includes yours truly, by the way. Whether you’re a Reddit escapee or coming from somewhere else entirely, please feel free to introduce yourself here - not your real name, of course (don’t doxx yourself!), but a little…

                  ForTheLoveOfGod@lemmy.world, 1 month ago
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                  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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                    Well, that first thread on your list there was in response to the bigotry that informed rule 8.

                    If you want to talk to me again, please refrain from huge pointless text dumps.

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            Alex Jones and everyone else hurt so many people in such awful ways because he was allowed to.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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        Then there’s reddit and facebook and youtube comments and 4chan and twitter and bluesky and threads and so on. Not everywhere has to be welcoming to bigots just because you like them more than the minorities they hate.