Meloni heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.
Meloni, 46, heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 (£858 to £4,290) anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.
Wow. Ok then…I guess technically he did violate that law and so it shouldn’t matter how fucked up that law is with respect to an investigation being done about it, but can we still talk about how fucked up that law is in an EU country? Yeah I know Italy’s a little bit different and such, but goddamn.
W would have loved to have had something like this when the Dixie Chicks got out of line over Iraq (though his response quoted there seems oddly…reasonable? ehh, fuck W): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy
They have it in a lot of other countries in Europe too. Its fucking disgusting and constantly abused by conservatives. You also see it being used against people who insult the church in certain countries.
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Having unenforced laws is a problem in itself. If everyone is used to ignoring the law and breaking it all the time, becomes a great way to let pretty tyrants selectively prosecute people they don’t like.
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Why is fascism even defamation of they love fascism so much?
Fascists don’t like to admit that they’re fascists. Or at least they don’t like it to be publicly known.
Fair enough.
Unfortunately in Italy it still is, baffling as it is
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More countries really need an irony clause in their constitutions. When the irony gets to this level clearly there are insufficient checks and balances in place.
For “contempt of the institutions.”
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Yeah, but do they investigate for defamation or exposing “state secrets”?
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I’ve been surprised that some western countries have laws like this. A French woman has also been fined for insulting Macron.
The public prosecution department in Germany let someone’s home got searched because he called a conservative politician “Du bist so 1 Pimmel” (“you are such a penis”) via Twitter.
At the same time the public prosecution department in Germany regularly refuses to take action against hate speech when aimed against other people. Even other politicians.
And since many people do not really understand our jurisdiction, they believe it is enough to protest against the police.
I wonder what their response would be to a bunch of lemmings outside the reach of Germany’s laws doing the same?
It’s almost like making laws against free speech is a slippery slope.
It can be, but not all speech is free, not even in the US.
Them’s fighting words.
Nope. There’s a bunch of thoughts and speech acts that don’t contribute anything. There’s a reason the swastika and other Nazi codes/insignia are outlawed in Germany. “We just need to exterminate the Jews for a better life for everyone else” is similarly outlawed under an incitement to genocide clause.
There are very good reasons to put barriers on absolutely free speech.
What i meant was actually, fighting words are not protected under free speech in the USA. Not disagreeing, just making a funny.
Not just that, slander, defamation, hate speech, harassment can all be speech yet you can get sued and will have to pay for that sort of speech. Actually the US is basically the same as most other western countries, the „only the US allows free speech“-simpletons couldn’t be further off.
To be exact, there is a difference between insult and defamation
I’m not too sure about the technicalities either, so I’m not sure if insulting is also a problem.
But declamation requires saying something false to ruin the other person’s reputation, and it’s actually a crime even against normal people
declamation requires saying something false to ruin the other person’s reputation
*defamation
Declamation is a form of rhetoric.
Thank you, I didn’t notice the typo!
but he’s right, so what?
As Porco Rosso said: “I’d rather be a pig than a fascist”. Be like Porco Rosso…
Porko Rosso
Unless there’s a pun I’m missing here
“rather be a pig” and pork=pig meat
The character’s name is already Red Pig in Italian, though?
Yes but this is internationally friendly
Unless there’s a pun I’m missing here
So they’re not even pretending to have free speech anymore.
In a lot of ways, the fascism that Italy invented never left. I had hopes 20-30 years ago, but they have been roundly dashed.
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It’s understandable that they wouldn’t know much about other countries’ history. Sad… but I get it. Public education is slipping worldwide.
What’s bothered me about discussion online for the last 10-15ish years (and it gets worse every year) is that people feel the urgent need to opine strongly on shit they don’t understand - and that bluntly pointing that out is somehow frowned upon.
I long for the days when it was kosher for everyone to just tell them to shut the fuck up until they were ashamed enough to delete or recant.
/rant
Anyway… Buongiorno!
sad but true
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Except when you piss off a fascist, apparently.
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I mean, this was always a crime, it’s not like it’s a new law.
Meloni is definitely far-right, and comes from a historically fascist party. So he is just stating the facts here.
Do you mean the well the well known racist and fascist Giorgia Meloni?
Is Georgia Menoni known to the rest of the world as anything other but the well known racist and fascist Giorgia Meloni?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandra_Mussolini , proud member of Forza Italia and defender of her grandfather.
She blocked me on Twitter just for telling her a really cool fact: there’s an emoji of her grandfather. It’s this one! 🙃
I don’t understand.
Grandpa’s last look into this world was being hung upside down and killed
I didn’t realise there was a rope element, just thought he was shot.
Look up how her grandfather died.
I thought he was shot, didn’t know the rest.
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Fascists don’t deserve a discussion.
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Saves me the trouble of blocking them.
Didn’t the world fight a world war to stop this kind of government from taking full control over a people?
Nah, Italy’s fascists were never really purged, because the occupying Americans preferred them to the Communist partisans
I’m not saying that Americans didn’t play their dirty tricks as usual, but it was Italian voters that elected Meloni, not the US…
Never laid the blame for that on anybody else
it was Italian voters that elected Meloni, not the US…
As if that matters. As if Trump wasn’t elected by US voters after massive disinformation campaigns and international meddling.
Whether the people are partially to blame or not is a complicated topic. Both in the US and Italy, about half of the population were educated/smart enough to see through their propaganda. The right wing party still won though because they picked their target audience effectively and tailored their whole campaign around that audience.
@iByteABit @Damage forest for the trees…
Nah, just the one. And it was because he was killing hordes of people, not controlling them.
Um Mussolini’s Fascist Italy was very much in the war
But Franco got a pass. Probably because he didn’t invade his neighbors and committed his atrocities at home like a good little fascist.
Wait, which mussolini? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandra_Mussolini
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WW2 was started by the Nazis, so it was really them fighting for something. The rest of the world just defended itself
It’s a lot more problematic when the Nazis call from inside the house.
Ethiopians would disagree
Literal actual fascists behaving like fascists, surprise surprise.
Yeah this was my thought reading this, too.
Who woulda thunk that when you give the fascists power, they don’t stop being fascists! #surprisedpikachu
If I had the money of a lead singer of international band I would consider a €5k fine a “campaign donation” to the other side and go call them fascist and get it in the papers.
Gotta love the dipshits in the replies pushing the whole “the left calls anyone who disagrees with them a fascist!!1!” while conveniently leaving out any and all context as to what they’re disagreeing about. ~Cherri
