Ahh yes Florida, please teach me how slavery was such a beneficial thing for my race.
I’m sure the millions of slaves that were forced to work in fields without pay, murdered, raped, and were threatened just for wanting equal rights would agree with you.
Obvious /s
Sounds like someone isn’t graduating.
- Florida GOP
It’s about time the dang whites just confronted history and muster the courage to say, “you’re welcome”
/S
In all seriousness European expansionism had more to do with nature and the domesticated animals than anything else. Anyone that thinks race had anything to do with it is wrong.
Race had nothing to do with it? They were considered animals because of the color of their skin. Where’s all the millions of white European slaves that were stacked on boats like cattle?
If you’re arguing from an environmental determinist POV like I assume @YoBuckStopsHere is, then the racism is a post-facto rationalization of the global dominance that Europeans stumbled into as a result of their geography, climate, and local fauna. I don’t think he meant it as an excuse for racism, he just didn’t adequately summarize the thesis of Guns, Germs, and Steel before flippantly referring to it.
Guns, Germs, and Steel is pretty widely derided by actual historians and anthropologists, so I wouldn’t go putting a lot of weight on that particular book.
https://www.livinganthropologically.com/archaeology/guns-germs-and-steel-jared-diamond/
Personally I think the criticisms are valid if a bit overstated. Diamond perhaps didn’t qualify his claims adequately and purported to explain more than he actually could. However, it’s certainly worth considering the effect that environment has on societies. I think if you want to argue that European societies broadly had agency in their exploitation of the world, you have to explain how you would expect them to overcome millennia of violence and greed, develop guns and transcontinental sailing ships, then look at Asia and Africa and say “nah, let’s leave them alone”. So, individuals certainly had agency in whether or not they partook in the rape or bought into the post-facto rationalizations of scientific racism and the like, but societies amalgamate the competing interests of their component parts, and often the worst impulses win out (incidentally, this is the same reason societies “choose” to fail). And then, ask yourself if you think the Han Chinese would have handled it much differently if it had been them instead of the British. Consider the Han Chinese today. People are people, and people are racist.
None of that changes the fact that white people did, in fact, do those things, and in many (all?) cases owe reparations where none have yet been given. Chances are we’ll be on to the next atrocious global hegemon long before those reparations ever happen. Maybe we’ll figure it out someday.
mfer skimmed the back of a Jared diamond book
Race had nothing to do with European success. I wasn’t talking about the slave trade.
How is critical race theory banned, but this shit is allowed?
This is a rhetorical question. I know the answer…
Critical Race Theory is a requirement to get a law degree at most colleges. It was never taught below that level. What conservatives called CRT was actually American History.
wooooo slavery 2 : the sequel /s
I thought it’s r/nottheonion sub.
Florida is a shithole state. There will never be enough tax breaks to offset the Taliban-like human rights suppression that Republicans apparently require.
A co-worker went on a rant about how nobody talks about how it’s just heritage and the war wasn’t just about slavery. Also complaining that the customers complained about the confederate flag on his pickup so he had to take it down to avoid drama.
Even if his argument was in any way accurate, that flag clearly does not currently mean what he’s defending. I grew up in the south, went to college in the south, etc… If you want southern pride all over the place (I don’t see why you would be proud of that with how awful it’s going) then just fly your state flag. Certain parts have beautiful nature and culture that is absolutely great. The stars and bars have nothing to do with it. It’s not even accurate as a Confederate flag. A swastica on a flag is so outside of this “southern flag” idea that it should mean an immediate investigation of the people flying it.
Is this in reference to one curriculum change about a 1920s massacre to include that there were blacks and whites killing blacks instead of whites killing blacks?
And then the benefit thing, is that an extrapolation from that change?
Article was a bit shit.
They put it in quotes, as if they were quoting something. Yet there is no citation for it. Very strange.
Not surprising. I had some cousins in Florida who were taught in school that the south “technically” won the war. They never could quite explain it, but absolutely believed it.
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The South kinda did win in many ways. The North basically gave up on Reconstruction.
Even today, our Union basically gives outsized political power to the South and former Slave states.
Yes the one state known for its very respectable public education in the US. I do feel bad for the students who without their knowledge, are being indoctrinated into fascist beliefs without even knowing. Let’s talk about it. Let’s not frame it like genocide is ever acceptable. Let’s talk about how humans were tortured and killed out of curiosity and especially hate. Dehumanized animals subjected to things torturers would love to try themselves. To those people who want to keep doing it, you’re on the chopping block too
This is one reason why government run schools are a bad idea. There’s an incentive for stupidity to be taught as fact for political gain.
Do you really think private schools in Florida would be less racist?
I think education would be better if politicians had nothing to do with it.
But corporations are okay?
I was ignorant enough to support this kind of crap when I was younger. It’s never too late to turn your life around; please stop voting for these people.
Conservatives rant about the left “indoctrinating” kids to be gay or trans, but this shit is literal indoctrination. It’s fucking alarming. Like, normally I’d say stay the fuck outta places like Florida or Texas but at this point we need more liberals sent out to even out these psychos.
My dumbass moved to Florida last year and I’m sure as shit going to try and do my best to push back against these Nazis.
It worries me to see others encouraging people to gtfo of those states because of these crazy laws, but I think that’s exactly what these politicians want. That way they will guarantee certain states to always be red during elections. But at the same time, how could you blame anyone for wanting to leave? It’s fucked up.
Every accusation by a Conservative is admission of guilt
I still want to know where the pizza place is.
The pizza place was the friends we made along the way
It’s hard when it starts at such a young age. I had it at home, church, and school. I didn’t start to change my thinking until my mid thirties, and even then it was painful because your entire reality starts to shatter.
It’s hard, painful, necessary, work. Which is four reasons most people avoid it. Thanks for fighting that fight.
??? Seriously
Somebody tell me there’s additional context of some sort. This seems very odd.
Do they mean black African slave traders?
That’s no additional context. This is a tiny step removed from “they weren’t slaves, they were just employees” historical revisionism.
Another part of the curriculum says that teachers need to specify that, while some white people might have caused racially motivated massacres, black people were to blame as well. The Tulsa race riot? It wasn’t the fault of the white people who slaughtered all those black people. No, according to Florida’s new curriculum, the black people who were slaughtered were responsible also.
There is no additional context. Republicans don’t want to stop being racist, and teaching children that slavery was bad makes them less likely to be tolerant of racism.
The context is that it’s true, but only in a limited number of cases. Many African craftsmen were brought here, and many others were apprenticed to white craftsmen here. The vast majority saw the fruits of their labor stolen for the benefit of their masters, but a lucky few were able to make money and in rare cases even buy their own freedom.
Slavery is a complex subject and you have to remember the slaves were strong, smart individuals who would have been constantly trying to make the best of their situations. The fact that some of them had some success in forging their own paths doesn’t mean the triangle trade & chattel slavery were any less horrific or criminal.
Frankly, the curriculum reported on is perfectly acceptable, and the reporting is disingenuous. Whether Florida schools will teach it in a balanced way is an entirely different question.
Florida is a cursed state that has been lost to Republican and Far-Right whimsy, wow
I was a little suspect of the NAACP memo about it being unsafe for Black people but man this just seals the deal
Of course Florida would do this, they’re part of the “Mark of Cain” south.
That is: Southern Preachers maintained the horrific canon that black slaves would only survive as subservient to their white masters, because god had marked them. This is a big part of all the separations of churches during the civil war.
My teachers were pretty cool and they made sure to refute any positive spins people tried to attribute to slavery. Some kids came in thinking slave owners treated their slaves just like family, and the teachers shut that right down.
I’m worried about the education system. I bet those same teachers would have gotten into trouble for saying that now, being that it is apparently against the curriculum. I always thought that outside media was misleading and that education was supposed to be the truth. Now it seems like education is misleading, and it is a scary scary thing that outside media might be leaned on to learn the truth.
Honestly some of them did. That doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. I mean have you seen how some people treat their family? But plenty of them were raped abused etc at the hands of their “owners”. US founding Fathers. I’m looking at you.
My family members are allowed to leave if they don’t want to be around me. Slaves, not so much.
While that’s true to a point. It’s not as meaningful. Technically slaves could run away too. People who are abused often find themselves trapped by things a lot of people who haven’t experienced it can’t imagine. It all seems so simple from the outside looking in. But it rarely ever is.
Yeah those runaways that were caught were either killed or made an example of with public torture. Runaways decided that between existing in slavery, being killed on the spot, being tortured, or maybe getting away was worth the risk. It was that bad that they risked everything. I can only imagine the bravery that was needed to decide.
They certainly did. And many children and young adults that seek to get away from abusive parents end up getting put back into the same abuse of situations and killed / tortured too. But we’re getting out in the weeds. And the downvoted circle jerk seems to imply that people are looking to be offended. Not have a discussion of any sort. Not that I ever tried to justify what Florida is doing I disagree with it intensely.
I think the issue with the downvotes is because you said that slaves could just run away. It comes across like you are simplifying the problem. I don’t want to assume that’s what was intended, it just doesn’t come across well. And, you are correct that modern times still have similar corruption. I just hope society on average understands why it’s not okay compared to back then.
It’s not that I’m trying to simplify the problem. It’s that they’re trying to be outraged and looking for something to justify it. It’s uncontroversial to say slaves could run away. The runaway/fugitive slave act were written to address it. The underground railroad to facilitate it.
My whole point initially, that being treated like family by a bunch of authoritarian, rape enablers. Isn’t the flex Republicans think it is. Everything else is comparable. Yes being considered property is worse than being family to an abuser. Well unless you were female and basically treated as property not all that many decades ago. Both are bad neither are good. But y’all wanna be outraged and see things that aren’t there. So have fun.
Next: being a literal corporate slave benefits you with a hovel, scraps, and beating to maintain character!
