• 7bicycles [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    5 months ago

    But management is a real skill

    80% of being a good manager is navigating the dumb ass enviroments people above you have created so your team can still function, which is to say, you don’t need to do that as a CEO

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      5 months ago

      There should be a lot of proactively checking in with the people you manage and addressing/heading off problems, plus seeing what their priorities are. Training and assessment (which requires a lot of attention to do well) are big, too.

      Not underselling the drain of “manager your manager” stuff, but there’s a lot of other real tasks, too. I’m in a job where a number of those I mentioned are lacking and their absence creates a ton of issues.

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        5 months ago

        There should be a lot of proactively checking in with the people you manage and addressing/heading off problems, plus seeing what their priorities are.

        I’d argue that takes around 10% of a given week unless you start micromanaging deeply

        raining and assessment (which requires a lot of attention to do well) are big, too.

        Training takes a lot of work but I’d argue if you’re a good manager a constant need to train new people points back at shitty work enviroment you have to deal with. You keep nigh the same team for like 3 years and in the grand scheme of things job training is not really eating up your hours

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            5 months ago

            True, true, however I’d argue anything over like 5 - 10 people or so is organisational failure again because it just becomes unmanageable for above reasons

            Not that it don’t happen, don’t get me wrong, but that’s just squeezing people

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              5 months ago

              It’s really hard to make general statements because of the variance in work environments. A big box store, a large restaurant, a factory, a mine, an agricultural job, etc. may have quite a few more people than 10-15 working per shift, but may only require one manager per shift. Those are the areas where managerial work is light (as you pointed out) so you can scale up without adding much more of it. I can also think of more complex jobs where workers are pretty self-contained (law, accounting, medicine), where if your workforce is experienced enough you may need only light managerial work.

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                5 months ago

                may have quite a few more people than 10-15 working per shift, but may only require one manager per shift. Those are the areas where managerial work is light (as you pointed out) so you can scale up without adding much more of it.

                I disagree heavily here, again. It’s just all of those people are getting fucking fleeced because nobody wants to pay for a foreman. Join a Union, folks.