One of the darkest examples of “every accusation is a confession.”
That was my exact thought. I wonder how long they’d been doing this prior to October 7.
They have always been doing this, since the founding of their country.
Okay, but I think we can all agree that the Israeli rape machine still has a right to exist.
No wonder the (supposedly) “de-nazified” West German state rushed to help Israel…
There were many many reports of rapes and sexual abuse of detainees going back before the second intifada but increased in number since then. The IDF always brushed off press questions saying they’re lying but they’ll “investigate.”
I suspected as much. This kind of thing doesn’t materialize from nowhere.
Fucking medieval torture mindset with permanent crusade base.
Similar to the reports of Russian soldiers putting plastic pipes up people’s butts to feed up razor wire to pull out slowly after the pipe is removed, or China putting electric shock sticks up people’s butts among the Uyghur camps.
Humans suck.
Or Americans hooking Abu Gharib prisoners up to car batteries.
Or Saudis dismembering Jamal Khashoggi with a bone saw while still alive.
Or Italy’s practice of deliberately sinking refugee floatillas in the Mediterranean so as to deny migrants asylum claims.
Humans suck.
#NotAllHumans
We know and care about these atrocities because we don’t all suck. But there is definitely an economic structure in place that rewards this behavior as well as a fascist media apparatus that both censors and celebrates it.
Nah I’m gonna keep saying all humans because this has been the norm since the beginning.
We act like we’re not animals but that card is always in the back pocket just waiting for an excuse to pop out.
What do you have against animals?
While I’m sure that there was torture at Abu Ghraib, including electrocution, I’d just like to note that car batteries are typically only at 12 volts (sometimes 24) and at that voltage potential can’t really harm people. They could have wired up multiple batteries in series but I think it’s more likely they just used cables connected to an outlet.
that voltage potential can’t really harm people
Injury involving contact with a vehicle battery
A 12 volt vehicle battery was being disconnected using a crescent wrench, which slipped and grounded out when it came in contact with metal. The person received a burn on his ring finger as his gold ring had come into contact with the wrench. The injury was completely around the ring finger and severe enough to cause concern about the loss of the finger from a lack of adequate circulation.
It has been pointed out that most vehicle batteries have 600-800 cranking amps, compared to 75 amps for stick welding and 300 amps for air arc welding. Severe burn injuries can occur and caution should be exercised when handling such batteries, including removing rings and other jewellery before starting work near or on a battery/connected wires and equipment.
I would consider third-degree electrical burns harmful.
Right, but that’s not exactly electrocution, that’s just burning. Through a metal, 12V will be more than enough to create a current that makes the conductor very hot, but through a human it likely will not be able to cause any damage whatsoever.
Could that be used as a form of torture? Absolutely, not disputing that. But for electrocution, a car battery would not do, and for burning a blowtorch would be more effective.
Yes, if you run hundreds of amps through metal it gets hot, but that’s not electrocution which is what the person you’re replying to is talking about. You can’t really electrocute someone with less than about 50V because the human body has too much resistance. You can try it yourself; lick 2 fingers and touch both poles of a car battery; you won’t feel anything because your skin has too much resistance for 12V to meaningfuly pass through. The only danger a 12V battery poses is if you short it with a piece of metal then that metal will get very hot and often hot enough to melt or explode both itself and/or the battery. But as far as torture goes a car battery is a very round about way to heat up a chunk of metal when you could just use a torch or something.
It’s regular burn, not electrical one.
The gold ring being a great conductor likely didn’t help the man.
Source for the razor wire claim? Seems like obvious war time propaganda to me and I can’t find anything online.
You can listen to the intercepted phone call where an alleged Russian soldier describes the methods to his mother for yourself:
Over the top descriptions of torture between an alleged soldier and his mother that seem almost scripted, published by the Ukraine military. I’m going to call this a maybe at best.
So when accounts of torture fit with the narrative you like, they are credible, but when they don’t fit with the narrative you like, they are not?
Was the video of castration by Russian military of a detainee also just faked propaganda?
Was the UN report that Russian forces tortured prisoners to death also fake?
It’s not exactly like this phone call goes against a pattern of behavior for Russian forces.
In time of war you’d do best to question news when it’s reported only by one of the sides and not by an independent source. Maybe it’s true, but militaries don’t value truth during war.
I wouldn’t trust the Russian military either
“Almost every single one of the Ukrainian POWs we interviewed described how Russian servicepersons or officials tortured them during their captivity, using repeated beatings, electric shocks, threats of execution, prolonged stress positions and mock execution. Over half of them were subjected to sexual violence,” said Danielle Bell, the head of HRMMU.
And these are the accounts from the prisoners that were released.
Source (they put the actual torture and rape at paragraph 9999 after all the israeli propaganda)
The interrogators accused him of Hamas membership and showed him photographs of militants to see if he could identify them. They also asked him about the whereabouts of hostages, as well as a senior Hamas leader who lived near Mr. Bakr’s family home. When Mr. Bakr denied any connection to the group or knowledge of the pictured men, he was beaten repeatedly, he said.
Mr. al-Hamlawi, the senior nurse, said a female officer had ordered two soldiers to lift him up and press his rectum against a metal stick that was fixed to the ground. Mr. al-Hamlawi said the stick penetrated his rectum for roughly five seconds, causing it to bleed and leaving him with “unbearable pain.”
A leaked draft of the UNRWA report detailed an interview that gave a similar account. It cited a 41-year-old detainee who said that interrogators “made me sit on something like a hot metal stick and it felt like fire,” and also said that another detainee “died after they put the electric stick up” his anus.
Mr. al-Hamlawi recalled being forced to sit in a chair wired with electricity. He said he was shocked so often that, after initially urinating uncontrollably, he then stopped urinating for several days. Mr. al-Hamlawi said he, too, had been forced to wear nothing but a diaper, to stop him from soiling the floor.
For some reason the fact that this was published on D-Day made it even more poignant.
What is D-Day?
Hey can you cw the pic and edit the title for sa content?
I think I people should know about this story and I’m not asking so that people can avoid the shock of it, but so that people who have been assaulted can avoid being re-exposed to their experiences.
Thanks for all your goodposts.
I am not entirely sure how to put content warnings in the title, i added the words CW at the front is that how it is supposed to be done?
It is difficult to post the reality for Palestinians without people experiencing shock or depression from it. However it needs to be posted to raise awareness to the issue.
I think you blur the picture if you got one and put a more general description in the title so people can’t just get blam cammed with “rape with a foriegn object” while they’re baby huey scrolling along.
I agree that people need to be shocked by this stuff. It’s tough balance between having a safe space and spongebob pointing out the window at a huge pile of atrocities.
Thanks for doing your best instead of pushing back. The first time someone asked me to cw something I was uhh, much more combative.
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To be fair prisoners of war being raped to death to humiliate them is pretty complex mental issue. We know that psyhopathy can sometimes be acquired as a trait, and it seems Israel has ways of inducing it. Interestingly enough, Nazis invented similar stuff as well… Oh, no, no, I’m not comparing the two. Just an off hand comment. Move along.
I mean, if the genocidal shoe fits…
israel is a terror organisation.
Israilian goverment to be more specific
that government is democratically elected. the people who elected it share the guilt.
Ah, yes. Very democratically elected. Everywhere.
In my shithole it’s not. And I wouldn’t be surprised if same applies to Israel - country where Putin buys DPIs and facial recognition from.
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But did they condemn Hamas?
Why does Biden support genocide?
If Trump were in office, he’d be endorsing the rape torture and abuse explicitly. If we lived in an alternate universe and Hillary was on her second term, she’d do nothing to stop Isreal and keep weapons flowing, if Obama was on his fourth term, he’d do nothing, if W was on his 6th term? We would still be in a perpetual war with multiple countries in the middle east and Israel would be a key supporter. He would probably help with the genocide with boots on the ground.
A large portion of the reason Isreal never reached a settlement with Palistine and kept up with their perpetual war and ethnic cleansing is due to the US preferring they do it this way. Obama’s foreign policy was to do whatever the military suggested, as his administrative advisers said ‘‘A Democrat can’t say no to the military’’. Bush’s administration never even bothered to have internal justifications for any military endeavor. Trump is the most evangelical president we’ve ever had, he constantly did whatever evangelicals wanted, and war in Isreal, antagonism and aggression to Arab nations is one of their top priorities, as according to their beliefs Jesus will not come again until the Temple is rebuilt, sacrifices are made, and a world war or multinational middle eastern war against Isreal happens, once they have nearly been destroyed THEN Jesus comes again. Hillary likely would have the same policy Obama did, let the military do whatever it wants so you don’t get called soft of foreign policy in the next election cycle.
Biden likely has the exact same policy. Like so many issues in the US, even in our fantasies there’s no alternative to what horrible shit were doing now.
Biden is the president now.
Regardless as to what happens in a few months, the current sitting US president through action and inaction is endorsing genocide. It doesn’t matter who else exists, because the office isn’t held by anyone else.
We should be able to have a conversation about human rights abuses without invoking the name of someone worse.
I don’t imagine many people are on the fence about who they’re going to vote for and constantly screaming about the Cheeto any time criticism of the president is brought up really only serves as admission that yeah, Biden is that bad.
All I see is deflection, constantly. No one wants to talk about Biden, successes or failures. It’s as if the only exists as a comparison to Trump. And if a candidate only looks good when compared to a pile of shit, then he isn’t a good candidate.
I mean, I read the response you replied to as “it not just biden, it is the system as a whole, and anyone that ever got close to being president”.
And I agree. every president you have, there is some unjust war you are involved. As americans get pissed with their president, the rest of the world just rolls their eyes and says “here they go again”.
genocides are gonna keep happening as long as you keep voting for these dumbasses in your primaries. And I can’t see the situation changing anytime soon.
If you can find someone who has a chance of winning and will do something than please point them out
my quick reply would be Bernie Sanders
And the democrats did everything they could to make sure he would not win the primary in spite of how popular he was. There is no winning.
Unfortunately in the US running for president has serious financial barriers. Even the wealthy people who run need to appeal to corporate sponsors(I personally call this corruption, but the Supreme Court apparently decided it’s not.)
I don’t know how we are ever going to get a decent human being as a candidate until that changes, and I don’t know how to change it. We can vote, but only for whoever has money, and none of those candidates seem to even acknowledge this is a very serious problem. It’s not even on their political radar, so it’s not a talking point.
Plus, even if a decent, non corrupt person managed to make it to the primaries and win… the electoral college could just vote the corrupt candidate in anyway.
Sorry rest of the world… I wish our system wasn’t totally fucked.
Do you think the 8 years Biden was Obama’s VP and the policy that administration had on foreign policy and the military ISN’T relevent to the Biden’s Amin policy?
You’re asking to talk about Biden’s policy WITHOUT bringing up Bidens political history? Without brining up Trump, the man he is currently running against, and who’s policy and rhetoric is CLEARLY effecting domestic policy for Biden’s Admin, and ignoring the US’s overall polices over the last 20+ years that we have been militarily involved in the Middle East?
What are we allow to discuss? Biden’s horoscope?
I really believe that the only difference in outcome for Palestine between Biden and Trump will be who lies about their feelings better. Trump doesn’t give a s*** and will pretend to care and Biden doesn’t give a s*** and will pretend to care in the other direction.
Sorry but Democrats have to do better than “or else Trump.”
I don’t know how you people don’t understand that yet. I also don’t know how I’m supposed to believe your uncited claims when you spell Palestine incorrectly.
But sure keep on doing your same old stick. I’m trying to get out by November and the Democrats can get purged by Trump for all I give a shit. My great-grandparents took their money and fled Nazi Germany for the United States and I will do the same for South America. If the left is too weak and cowardly to stop the fascism from progressing then it’s going to come to the same conclusion regardless. And the left is embarrassingly weak and complicit with the right.
I used to be an activist and I’ve been on the police s*** list for the better part of 10 years in my area so I am experiencing a lot of anxiety about what will happen if Trump gets reelected. At the same time I am experiencing a lot of despair that I was never able to motivate almost anyone to bother even voting.
When you see both parties openly supporting a genocide, it’s time to fucking run. If Democrats can sit here and make up justifications for why it’s happening to the Palestinians they will do the same thing when the right comes for the actual left.
Every time I see a list of atrocities that the Republicans are going to commit if they get elected as some kind of motivation to vote, it makes me sick to my stomach. If you want me to vote then give me a candidate I want to vote for who shares any kind of moral compass with me.
All we have seen is decline. Imagine what it must have been like for our parents: continues progress. People in BRICS countries have that today.
I can only be bothered to care so much. I literally just got done taking a walk through the neighborhood and couldn’t find a single flying insect to save my life. You and everyone else can pretend that the stock market somehow represents human success or productivity, but it doesn’t and we’re fucked. That’s why the people who get to keep all the money you generate are building bunkers. People in the brics countries are basically slaves to the West and will cook to death first.
Trump isn’t in office. This is a question about Biden.
Biden isn’t living in a bubble, he’s running against Trump, and it’s clearly effecting his domestic policy heavily, anyone can see he’s trying to shore up weaknesses Biden has against Trump’s old policies and rhetoric. If you can’t grasp that Biden is making decisions based on the 8 years he was in the legislator under W, the 8 years he was VP under Obama and he 4 years he’s been president, compared to Trump’s 4, and the current race for President against Trump’s record and current talking points, you’re not capable of having a conservation about politics.
Oh yes how silly of me. Supporting a genocide is just good politics. Very well carry on murdering and raping.
“Why is Biden letting Genocide happen”
- let’s look at the history and context and where we are now politically to understand why
“You can’t talk about that! We’re talking about why Biden letting genocide happen!!!”
- Yeah, he’s letting genocide happen for these reasons that’s why that’s what I’m talking about
“YOU LOVE GENOCIDE!!!”
- it’s like your immune to nuance. Look if you want to organize a protest to demand serious actions against genocide take place, I’ll show up and get pepper sprayed by the cops right next to you. That’s the only realistic action to take that could change anything the US government is doing. But if you wanna talk about why. Your gonna have to stop plugging your ears and yelling.
I was talking about Biden, but sure, go off. There is no nuance to genocide. You don’t support one and then get the “good guy” stamp in history books. There is no excuse, no possible reason it’s somehow morally okay.
It’s so weird that you can’t grasp that I’m not arguing with you.
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It’s simple. If The Jews don’t reside in The Holy Land, then Blue Eyed, Capitalist Jesus won’t come back to gather up his American Evangelical Flock into his sinewy, shirtless embrace, while the Heathens are Stomped On Like Grapes In A Wine Press by the Very Angery Angels. I’m not exaggerating. This is what’s happening.
Glad we can confirm we still live in the fucken Dark Ages.
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Ya, but Biden is the current one who is directing Blinken to broker the repeating multi billion dollar deals, so he is the one that matters right now.
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True, but Biden is the sitting President of the United States who is trying to secure the liberal vote for reelection, so he is the one that matters right now.
Would choice number 2 be any better in this regard?
I’m not sure I understand the question.
Trying to answer, I’d say that the prompt is being created by a “boolean brain”.
Sorry if that seems harsh.
The American ballot has never been boolean (true or false, 2 answers accepted ONLY, in code 0 or 1, in practice apples or oranges).
America had always had ballots explicitly designed to not be boolean.
You can pick blue. You can pick red. You can pick “naw”, you can pick chartreuse (Ross perot).
The American ballot has always been designed for democracy.
This cycle, more than any cycle in the past, I feel we are being bullied into “Pick geriatric white male genocidal tyrant A or pick geriatric white male genocidal tyrant B”.
One wholesale geriatric white male genocides, but can sit for an hour speaking (outrageously stupid) sweet nothings to the crowds.
The other geriatric white male genocides, but can’t get 12 words into an isolated white house address before fucking it all up and shuffling out the door like his pampers are full.
I reject the narrative that American democracy is boolean.
I’d love Ro Khanna running for president with Bernie Sanders as his VP, running Independent. I would vote for that all day for 1000 days.
Since I won’t be able to vote for that, I plan on abstaining, and hoping for liberal leadership that is anti war, would never engage in genocide, who will give Flint clean drinking water, and above all else, deserves a fucking vote.
What I am saying is that when it comes to this is that either if Republican or Democrat comes in it’s a moot point they both align on Israel so Biden being pro Israel shouldn’t make you vote for Trump (not that I thought you would) as nothing will change on that instance. Foreign policy is also a special beast that sure the parties can influence it does what it does based on all the hands that are in the pie.
If you vote third party or abstain more power to you.
This all being said I am not American so I don’t get to decide, I just get to watch and hope that nobody here looks and decides whatever happens there is a good idea here. That and my own countries politics sucks just as much.
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I would see it as an extremely astute view, considering how important everyone is saying it is that we keep Trump out of office.
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Israel is our 51st and most important state.
/s
Israel played their card when they lost the Yom Kippur war and they played it well enough that politicians won’t even talk about it. It’s called the Samson option and they already exercised it against Nixon. He should have let them launch their 13 nukes or whatever back then because now they have enough to destroy the world.
They threatened to Nuke Europe unless Nixon bought them a whole new Air Force and replaced all their military losses, preventing them from being destroyed after losing the Yom Kippur war. That strategy has never changed since it worked that time.
Our whole system supports genocide. America supports genocide. We need to go deeper than biden to address this issue.e
Christian nationalism.
I don’t know. Probably because he’s taken the most money from Israel of any US politician alive?
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Oil
More like arms sales.
We have evolved past needing to plunder a resource, we just need someone to blow up so we can launder the public trust to Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, which makes the stocks that all of the Federally elected individuals own in spades rise even further.
Because Biden is a racist.
What the fuck is in some people’s hearts? This is absolutely inhumane and disgraceful.
Money.
Gonna suck when that imperial boomerang comes back
Israel = Russia
A ton of Russians immigrated to Israel
Most of them are against war in Ukraine. From one agressor to another, but at least new agressor’s voenkom wouldn’t draft into trenches.
If I remember correctly, Israel sold a lot of mass survaliance and censorship hardware and software. Probably Israel = China here.
Both in China and Russia goverment doesn’t represent people. Probably same in Israel.
The difference between the Israeli government and the Russian government is that the Israeli government was democratically elected, thus it represents its population.
I think Russia is stealing Ukranian kids rather than murdering them.
They blame this on Arab countries but this stuff happens in Israel
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Where is the content warning?!?
If your delicate sensibilities can’t handle reading this, imagine how these prisoners feel. This SHOULD shock you, and maybe that shock will motivate you to action against it.
I agree when it comes to the average person, but there should still be warnings for people who’ve been raped so they’re aware.
You just said the word tho
EDIT: sorry, not trying to be snarky. You’re right, but your misstep points out the problem
We’re in a thread about rape, I think it’s pretty clear not every comment in here needs a content warning.
Fair enough I suppose. I was talking to you about the general concept of warnings and such for sexual assault, and wasn’t considering a broader audience.
Please do to assume my implication or non implication to this cause or another one. And properly warn for rape content.
I’m not OP, and it’s literally in the title. Be an adult.
EDIT: I obviously don’t understand what the issue even is, because you just said rape. Is the word okay for comments but not titles? Or is the problem that you don’t have the reading comprehension skills to read the word in the title and infer the nature of the content behind the link?
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I am truly sorry if I hurt any feelings. I honestly was not aware that we as a society decided that using that word is insensitive. I (34M) was sexually assaulted when I was 8, FWIW, and I understand that words have power. I just didn’t get the memo in this case.
What is the considerate way to title this post?
Generally people would call it sexual assault, or shorten it to SA sometimes, just as is the case for CP or CSAM.
Grow up
I shouldn’t have ask for CW but for NSFW. I’m grow up enough to know you don’t throw at people explicite depictions of violence before make sure they consent.
I really don’t get what is upsetting about my comment.A snippet of text from the NYT will never be “NSFW”.
I really don’t get what is upsetting about my comment.
I think the fact that presumably grown-ass adults need content warnings (other than NSFW which, if clicked at work might get them in trouble) is embarrassing.
This expectation that the world will change around you to coddle you should be dispensed with. Hence, the “grow up” comment.
Isreals crimes against the palestinians needs to be stopped. No question. And yet ‘from the river to the see’ calls for the total destruction of isreal as a state, with all of its civillians, which isn’t exactly better. Hamas commited similar atrocities against the israeli on oct 7. But an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Sure rape is bad or whatever I guess, but both sides.
It is a two sides issue though. Both sides are doing this.
And it should stop on both. Why the fuck are we even mentioning “both sides” as if it fucking justifies anything?
I am not trying to justify anything. I am just tired of the way people talk about this like it’s two celebrities having a Twitter spat
Be ashamed
Both sides are sticking electric spikes up each other’s asses? Please come back to reality, every released hostage of Hamas has said they were treated well and every hostage Israel has released has said they were brutalized.
Got any source to back those claims?
Yep! The article you’re commenting under, for example. Do you have any sources claiming the opposite?
It says nothing about how those hostages are being treated. I am not those reddit assholes. But I am not going to pretend either side is the good guy here.
There are no sides, it’s a superpower state vs people. You ALWAYS side with the people. The state doesn’t need your help, they have everything already.
Destruction of the state does not equal destruction of humans. The entire statement is, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.” You have to seriously work on that to turn it into a genocidal intent. And then it begs the question, why would their freedom require such a drastic act? Which is why Israel doesn’t like to talk about the second part.
And yet ‘from the river to the see’ calls for the total destruction of isreal
If that’s true, why are Israeli soldiers chanting it?
Because when they say it, the mean Isreal from the river to the sea. It’s the reverse (and not any better).
It’s the reverse (and not any better).
When you think about it, settler colonialists and native people are just two sides of the same coin.
from the river to the sea / Palestine will be free
and
Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty
Carry the exact same connotations and historical weight.
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Israel is an invader and occupier of Palestinian land. Israel’s existence is a crime against humanity.
calls for the total destruction of isreal as a state
And? Where’s the problem, exactly?
Another reasonable, non-genocidal and well adjusted individual! Great!
So, again… where’s the problem?
Is there a reason you want to preserve a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state?
