But as for actually judging people only based on what they say or what others said they said? That’s for republicunts and religious idiots.
In the same way that 3000 year old stories are not sufficient evidence for people to believe in god, so are a couple news articles about words behind closed doors not enough evidence to condemn a man.
But as for actually judging people only based on what they say
How dare we judge someone based on [checks notes] the actual words. they say???
But let’s focus on the actual things the church believes for a moment. Certainly that’s better, right? Certainly they’re… hmmm… well, yikes!
But still this is the “good pope” right? So certainly he wouldn’t… oh fuck.
Well, turns out it’s fair after all to judge him as bring a confirmed queerphobe and the catholic church as a hate group.
So with this further context I repeat: do you condemn the pope’s repeated use of an actual homophobic slur? (Not that you should require this further context, since he has no excuse for using this term as someone outside the queer community.)
In March 2021, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said that the church cannot bless same-sex relationships because “God cannot bless sin”.[6]On 18 December 2023, it published Fiducia supplicans, a declaration allowing Catholic priests to bless people who are not considered to be married by the Church, including same-sex couples.[7]
The church provides pastoral care for LGBT Catholics through a variety of official and unofficial channels that vary from diocese to diocese, and senior clergy and popes have recently begun to call for the church to do more. In many parts of the world, the Church is active politically on issues of LGBT rights. The relationship between the Catholic Church and the LGBT community has been a difficult one, especially during the height of the AIDS crisis, and World War II Nazi Germany.[8]
You know it’s real easy to judge others for the sins of their fathers. How far into your family history would we need to dig to judge you for the rape or murders your forebears likely committed?
Now I know all about Catholic doctrine having been raised in the faith. And first hand I have experienced their brand of hate, it was both taught to me and turned against me when I came out the closet. For a long time after I was ousted from that community I let that hate fester my every waking thought. It wasn’t until those feelings actually killed me and I came back from the other side that I realized how stupid the whole thing was. Hating those who hated me only produced more hate in the world.
I let go of the pain I felt by no longer wanting others to feel how I did.
Judging people on their words and their beliefs is the same discrimination you say to hate. Doing it to people who do it to you doesn’t magically make you right and them wrong, it’s always wrong.
So I will repeat myself, I condemn the use of slurs.
Do you specifically condemn the Pope for his use of slurs?
Also, not appreciating you downplaying the fact that the Catholic church clearly believes LGBTQIA+ is a sin. This is not allyship by any stretch of the imagination.
You know it’s real easy to judge others for the sins of their fathers. How far into your family history would we need to dig to judge you for the rape or murders your forebears likely committed?
Irrelevant. I’d condemn them. There’s never been an excuse for such behavior.
I’m only judging the church and it’s shitty pope based on their actual words and actions. They’re still an active hate group in 2024.
Condemn the usage of slurs? Easy and always.
But as for actually judging people only based on what they say or what others said they said? That’s for republicunts and religious idiots.
In the same way that 3000 year old stories are not sufficient evidence for people to believe in god, so are a couple news articles about words behind closed doors not enough evidence to condemn a man.
How dare we judge someone based on [checks notes] the actual words. they say???
But let’s focus on the actual things the church believes for a moment. Certainly that’s better, right? Certainly they’re… hmmm… well, yikes!
But still this is the “good pope” right? So certainly he wouldn’t… oh fuck.
Well, turns out it’s fair after all to judge him as bring a confirmed queerphobe and the catholic church as a hate group.
So with this further context I repeat: do you condemn the pope’s repeated use of an actual homophobic slur? (Not that you should require this further context, since he has no excuse for using this term as someone outside the queer community.)
The church provides pastoral care for LGBT Catholics through a variety of official and unofficial channels that vary from diocese to diocese, and senior clergy and popes have recently begun to call for the church to do more. In many parts of the world, the Church is active politically on issues of LGBT rights. The relationship between the Catholic Church and the LGBT community has been a difficult one, especially during the height of the AIDS crisis, and World War II Nazi Germany.[8]
Dang if only you had read the full article.
You know it’s real easy to judge others for the sins of their fathers. How far into your family history would we need to dig to judge you for the rape or murders your forebears likely committed?
Now I know all about Catholic doctrine having been raised in the faith. And first hand I have experienced their brand of hate, it was both taught to me and turned against me when I came out the closet. For a long time after I was ousted from that community I let that hate fester my every waking thought. It wasn’t until those feelings actually killed me and I came back from the other side that I realized how stupid the whole thing was. Hating those who hated me only produced more hate in the world.
I let go of the pain I felt by no longer wanting others to feel how I did.
Judging people on their words and their beliefs is the same discrimination you say to hate. Doing it to people who do it to you doesn’t magically make you right and them wrong, it’s always wrong.
So I will repeat myself, I condemn the use of slurs.
Do you specifically condemn the Pope for his use of slurs?
Also, not appreciating you downplaying the fact that the Catholic church clearly believes LGBTQIA+ is a sin. This is not allyship by any stretch of the imagination.
Irrelevant. I’d condemn them. There’s never been an excuse for such behavior.
I’m only judging the church and it’s shitty pope based on their actual words and actions. They’re still an active hate group in 2024.