Oh, good, they’re not a tankie, they’re just a Soviet simp who thinks Anti-Imperialism™ is justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and opposes any anti-fascist candidate that’s not 100% in-line with their ideology. Definitely a big practical difference there, glad I was corrected.
Oh, yes, support of Russia is advocacy for peace, in the same way that an advocate for surrender to Nazi Germany is an ‘advocate for peace’. But hey, if it’s genocide done by an Anti-Imperialist Power™, it’s actually 100% peaceful killing, right?
I’m not sure making peace by moving a border by a few hundred miles you’re never going to be able to actually militarily reclaim to begin with is accurately described as killing, but, sure? I guess war is peace.
Supplying a nation of 38 million with weapons against a nation of 144 million doesn’t ensure them victory against Russia.
If the west genuinely wanted to prevent a genocide they would be supplying them with personnel, too. By drawing out the conflict without giving them a way out of attrition more Ukrainians will die.
The west cares more about hurting Russia than they do about Ukrainian lives.
It doesn’t make it right, they were wrong to violate the international border back in 2014 to begin with, but you could wipe out whole Ukrainian generations ala WWI, and they’re not going to retake what Russia has now. You’re spilling blood and treasure for nothing, like every US foreign misadventure of my lifetime instead of coming to terms with an unfortunate reality.
I don’t disagree with anything you said, but it’s just not an argument against imperialism. If anything it’s an argument for multi-polarity, but even then I don’t think it’s the kind of multipolarity leftists are looking for.
I’m speaking to the terms the neolibs understand, nationalist victory, borders on a map, blood, and most importantly, money. Although, if we’re getting into opinions about rhetorical efficacy, and I truly don’t mean offense by this, I’m just talking in general, I think the term “imperialism” comes across as haughty and doesn’t really speak to the moment, in which it’s all very imperialistic I 100% grant you, but, and this is just my opinion and I’m not a political scientist – to say “imperialism” as such is just… it strikes me as of an earlier era. While it’s important to respect our past (I literally cry for “Solidarity Forever”) I feel like what the neolibs lack, and where their weakness is, is the connection to humanity, which they have completely lost (Thus the “the economy is good, why aren’t you grateful, idiot!” platform of the Biden admin) and I think language like “imperialism” makes people either roll their eyes because they’ve heard it before or roll their eyes because they don’t find in relevant to their material condition in a neoliberal world where your interactions are almost exclusively with private actors, even on the state’s behalf in neocolonial contexts.
Oh, good, they’re not a lib, they’re just an Israeli simp who thinks Pro-Imperialismtm is justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and opposes any anti-fascist that’s protesting against the genocide i’m ok with (and not the genocide I’m not ok with).
Here I thought being for the suspension of ALL aid to Israel, not just for the ongoing genocide but for being an apartheid ethnostate, might have implied that I was anti-Israel, but here I learn that I’m an Israeli simp. How fascinating!
“I’m in support of all the most progressive and leftist ideals, but they are sadly not practical so anyone pushing for them must be treated as controlled opposition”
Pushing for progressive ideals =! Pushing for Trump to win
I’m pushing for progressive ideals. The difference is, I’m not doing it while saying that it’s okay not to vote for the anti-fascist candidate if you feel really strongly that fascism winning is preferable to Teach The Dems A Lesson™ or Show Your Moral Fortitude™.
Israel was doing bad shit to Palestine for decades. How many times did you so see Pro Palestine posts in mass before, almost never. Sure it’s worse, but if “leftists” cared so much, why did this huge outcry wait till it’s at it’s absolute worst? Seems real convenient it’s around an election where fascist states known for using troll farms have a vested interest in a Biden loss. Especially when the only candidate who has any chance of making a pro-Palestine compromise is in danger of losing. No one believes Trump will compromise at all and Biden is literally brokering a compromise now. What drives the myriad “true leftists” to prove their point now, at the least opportune possible time? Seems like they have ulterior motives and they’re just hiding behind your claims of leftism.
Oh, good, they’re not a tankie, they’re just a Soviet simp who thinks Anti-Imperialism™ is justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and opposes any anti-fascist candidate that’s not 100% in-line with their ideology. Definitely a big practical difference there, glad I was corrected.
I love how the advocates for peace always are the ones accused of ethnic cleansing. When will the non-violent killing stop!?
Oh, yes, support of Russia is advocacy for peace, in the same way that an advocate for surrender to Nazi Germany is an ‘advocate for peace’. But hey, if it’s genocide done by an Anti-Imperialist Power™, it’s actually 100% peaceful killing, right?
I’m not sure making peace by moving a border by a few hundred miles you’re never going to be able to actually militarily reclaim to begin with is accurately described as killing, but, sure? I guess war is peace.
How many Buchas and how many thousands of children kidnapped until supporting Russia is no longer anti-imperialist?
Don’t worry - I know you have no limit.
I’m not sure ‘might makes right’ is the anti-imperial argument you’re looking for here.
lmao, yet it’s the argument that all of your comrades resort to with regards to the Ukrainian situation.
At least it’s not ‘we’ll give you the means to destroy yourself in service of hurting Russia’ like all of your western buddies like arguing.
“Defending yourself against genocide is actually destroying yourself”
Want to remind me how this ISN’T a might makes right argument, the kind of which you supposedly were against just one comment ago?
You can’t stay consistent for a single comment. Unbelievable. But anything to simp for fascists, I guess. I’m sorry, ‘Anti-Imperialist Fascists’.
Supplying a nation of 38 million with weapons against a nation of 144 million doesn’t ensure them victory against Russia.
If the west genuinely wanted to prevent a genocide they would be supplying them with personnel, too. By drawing out the conflict without giving them a way out of attrition more Ukrainians will die.
The west cares more about hurting Russia than they do about Ukrainian lives.
It doesn’t make it right, they were wrong to violate the international border back in 2014 to begin with, but you could wipe out whole Ukrainian generations ala WWI, and they’re not going to retake what Russia has now. You’re spilling blood and treasure for nothing, like every US foreign misadventure of my lifetime instead of coming to terms with an unfortunate reality.
I’m just pointing out the argumentative failure.
I don’t disagree with anything you said, but it’s just not an argument against imperialism. If anything it’s an argument for multi-polarity, but even then I don’t think it’s the kind of multipolarity leftists are looking for.
I’m speaking to the terms the neolibs understand, nationalist victory, borders on a map, blood, and most importantly, money. Although, if we’re getting into opinions about rhetorical efficacy, and I truly don’t mean offense by this, I’m just talking in general, I think the term “imperialism” comes across as haughty and doesn’t really speak to the moment, in which it’s all very imperialistic I 100% grant you, but, and this is just my opinion and I’m not a political scientist – to say “imperialism” as such is just… it strikes me as of an earlier era. While it’s important to respect our past (I literally cry for “Solidarity Forever”) I feel like what the neolibs lack, and where their weakness is, is the connection to humanity, which they have completely lost (Thus the “the economy is good, why aren’t you grateful, idiot!” platform of the Biden admin) and I think language like “imperialism” makes people either roll their eyes because they’ve heard it before or roll their eyes because they don’t find in relevant to their material condition in a neoliberal world where your interactions are almost exclusively with private actors, even on the state’s behalf in neocolonial contexts.
Oh, good, they’re not a lib, they’re just an Israeli simp who thinks Pro-Imperialismtm is justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and opposes any anti-fascist that’s protesting against the genocide i’m ok with (and not the genocide I’m not ok with).
Here I thought being for the suspension of ALL aid to Israel, not just for the ongoing genocide but for being an apartheid ethnostate, might have implied that I was anti-Israel, but here I learn that I’m an Israeli simp. How fascinating!
“I’m in support of all the most progressive and leftist ideals, but they are sadly not practical so anyone pushing for them must be treated as controlled opposition”
Yes, because as we all know, pushing for Trump to win a presidential election is DEFINITELY in support of progressive and leftist ideals!
I apologize for being a Bernie voter, I guess.
Pushing for progressive ideals =! Pushing for Trump to win
Jesus with you, everything you don’t like is a vote for trump
I’m pushing for progressive ideals. The difference is, I’m not doing it while saying that it’s okay not to vote for the anti-fascist candidate if you feel really strongly that fascism winning is preferable to Teach The Dems A Lesson™ or Show Your Moral Fortitude™.
I’m not saying it’s OK not to vote, I’m saying expecting people to get on board with democrats when they have 5 months to correct their shit is dumb.
Make your decision when the cards have been played
You’ve gone from “voting blue is supporting genocide” to “harm reduction is a legitimate strategy” in minutes. Amazing.
Israel was doing bad shit to Palestine for decades. How many times did you so see Pro Palestine posts in mass before, almost never. Sure it’s worse, but if “leftists” cared so much, why did this huge outcry wait till it’s at it’s absolute worst? Seems real convenient it’s around an election where fascist states known for using troll farms have a vested interest in a Biden loss. Especially when the only candidate who has any chance of making a pro-Palestine compromise is in danger of losing. No one believes Trump will compromise at all and Biden is literally brokering a compromise now. What drives the myriad “true leftists” to prove their point now, at the least opportune possible time? Seems like they have ulterior motives and they’re just hiding behind your claims of leftism.