Maybe it’s just because there’s less content on Lemmy as of right now, but I remember doomscrolling Reddit, but now I only briefly open Lemmy once or twice a day.
Could this be an example of the affects of addictive social media?
The thing with mostodon and lemmy is that the feed is not algorithmicly tailored to you with the goal to get you to spend as much time as possible. That’s why these experiences are usually more relaxed and fulfilling than what the big players offer.
And that’s why I’m never going back. I absolutely love it here. I scroll my feed for a few minutes here and there, drop a comment or two, and I’m done. No feeling of missing something cool. I’ve probably seen it and I’m good.
OH! That’s fucking interesting and makes so much sense. Lemmy is the only social media thing I have now and that’s 100 percent what the difference is that I couldn’t put my finger on.
Name of the wind was great. The only reason I didn’t start the second book was the Author’s refusal of releasing the third and “final” book. I prefer cutting things on my terms rather than being forced to. it sounds stupid but at least I feel in control that way lol.
Is your reddit home feed governed by some algorithm (other than the standard upvotes and downvotes)
Not my Apollo feed but I remember people complaining about posts from certain subs they didn’t like in their feed, so I’m guessing the official app does that?
I’ve always assumed it was due to the size of Reddit. I don’t care about anime at all but because lots of other people do it reaches the front page. This is why I became very liberal with the block button to tailor the feed.
I spend more time on a social media with chronological feeds than without algorithmic feeds
And that’s why I’m never going back. I absolutely love it here. I scroll my feed for a few minutes here and there, drop a comment or two, and I’m done. No feeling of missing something cool. I’ve probably seen it and I’m good.
Reddit wasn’t tailored to the user, the user tailored it to themselves (unless they were fool enough to use the official app).
It really is just that there’s less content here, and the content there is isn’t sorted particularly well via Hot. It’s a WIP
How the Best and Hot algorithms work on Reddit is completely up to Reddit. They 100% tailor it to the user.
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In the past months, I was getting so many “you will probably like…”
No, I don’t. Reddit, you’re showing me irrelevant subs which prevent me from browsing the feed I curated.
It was so annoying…
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What does 3PA mean?
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Wow you perfectly hit the nail on the head with this comment. I’ve been wondering what “feels” different, and that’s exactly it. When I’m done scrolling I just stop.
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Oddly enough, people are pretty adamant about demanding that we add a lot of addictive features into lemmy, just because they exist on reddit and on other big tech platforms. I usually push back, but I’m always downvoted to oblivion. I conciously wanted to avoid putting these addictive, psychologically harmful things into lemmy-ui.
So its great to see posts like this one. Social media doesn’t have to be a negative experience, or addictive. The time we spend here should be short, and positive.
Well here’s some upvotes for you, brother/sister man/lady
Short positive social media is my dream
What would be an example of an addictive feature that could be added to Lemmy?
Infinite scrolling, karma, targeted content.
In some sense, Lemmy has targeted content since you can subscribe to communities. It’s just less aggressive.
Infinite scrolling is a big one. I need to get out. Help.
I hate to be the one to do this to you, but old.lemmy.world has infinite scrolling… and is designed to look exactly like old reddit
Yeah but it’s not a feature that is enabled by default.
Karma we can definitely do without. I don’t know of anyone who actually took it seriously anyway.
Bots took Reddit karma very seriously.
The lack of karma is one of the reasons why I prefer lemmy over kbin.
I’m really thankful for it, so thank you for pushing back. One of the biggest reasons I chose Lemmy over Kbin was the lack of overall user score. I’m fine with posts and comments having a score — it sort of helps one determine what is and isn’t good content for a community, or what might not be good advice — but summing those up on your user profile only leads to weird score measuring contests and a sort of “number go up” addictive cycle. Thank you also for giving us the ability to hide scores if we don’t want to see them.
I’m curious, would you tell me about some of the anti-features being requested? I wonder what kind of things are flying entirely under my radar.
I mean those features are addictive, so it isn’t that odd that people want their fix.
yeah social media should be more functional and easily put away when not needed. I love the fact that I just don’t get attention consuming notifications. I love the fact that there isn’t an algorithm that promotes the most inflammatory point of view for “eNgAgEmEnT”.
I just don’t feel like a product here, it feels real compared to any platform.
Lemmy for me feels like the early days of social media. Think early 4chan and reddit. I do miss the days of simple forums though.
I feel similarly. To add to that, I don’t even like the fact that people have been pushing so hard for Lemmy apps. I get that people want something to entertain themselves with on the train or in class or wherever they might be, but phone based social media apps seem to encourage superficial engagement and doomscrolling by design. I much prefer a rich desktop experience as it encourages depth of discussion and debate. One thing I really liked on reddit, though, was something I saw a long time ago on r/TrueFilm. Comments had a hard minimum for characters. If your comment was below 250 characters, or something like that, it was automatically removed on the basis that if you had anything to say, you should have thought about it enough to warrant more than 250 character submissions. It also functionally murdered smartphone or tablet based commenting. I kinda wish you could do similar on certain lemmy communities.
That’s an interesting idea, but it would completely butcher conversations.
Or restrict them to people who have something meaningful to contribute. Low effort vs. high effort. You’d have to be explicit that that’s the purpose of the community and that’s how it works. I remember some great posts on r/TrueFilm back in the day. A lot of it was by people who were either film students or who had degrees in film studies and had the kind of academic background needed to speak at length about a topic without it becoming trite. I have to say, I do miss it. The internet has gotten way dumber and way lazier over the years, in a lot of ways.
I suppose there could be communities focused away from conversations. Like an auditorium you rent for your class of 200 to watch a movie that isn’t in print anymore and then discuss it afterwards. I imagine someone would stand up in said auditorium when they have a well formed idea or rebuttal to an idea, but refrain from standing just to add some conversational space filler like “I agree” and then sitting back down (which is kind of comical now that I think about it). Port over this idea into the internet and you get the communities you’re talking about, correct?
Hmmm, not really. Rather, the community is specifically focused around conversation. But a different type of conversation. Typical internet conversations on reddit (and a lot of other places), especially over the last several years, seem to mainly occur in short bursts and at a fairly superficial level. The kind of community I’m envisioning is one in which there’s a central topic or theme (such as film), but it focuses on fairly deep or complex conversations. If someone wants to respond to a comment made by another user, it’d typically be point by point with supporting evidence and argumentation. Or at least a well reasoned perspective. An okay, if not spectacular, example would be this post on reddit from a couple of years ago on r/TrueFilm (https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueFilm/comments/khlrnv/a_brief_rant_about_my_cinema_students_and/). The post itself is a few hundred words and focuses on a central concept or observation made by the OP. Most top level comments are a paragraph or two. There are brief responses in the individual comment threads, but the actual discussion is fairly robust and provides new ideas and perspectives beyond just people saying “lmao same” or similarly useless comments.
That makes sense; maybe require a wordcount for the base level comments and a much lesser word count requirement for the replies?
That would be reasonable, I think. As you drill down into reply threads comments tend to become more focused on particular topics of conversation, in my experience, and so the size of any given reply might reasonably diminish.
Does Lemmy even need any more features? Can we please avoid feature bloat and don’t break what doesn’t need fixing?
I think that depends on what you would call a “feature”. Most everything I can think of that could be “added” would be front end stuff, and third party devs can do those if they want.
Thank you for that
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Lemme isn’t using some algorithm designed by an entire phycological department to be as addictive as possible for engagement numbers.
I feel like I am spending less time on Lemmy but am more satisfied with my time here.
On Reddit I would scroll endlessly. I’d find a comment or sentiment that was wrong and start typing out a reply, or once in a while a topic I knew about or had a story for. Then delete it because I don’t want to argue with an idiot and no one will ever see the comment because of the flood of “jokes”.
I feel like I can actually interact with the content here.
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Me too! I’m on kbin but same effect. I’m here less than I was on reddit but it feels like I’m actually interacting.
It’s also way more positive and less toxic.
I have seen the same behaviour in myself. Reddit was the only social media I used and when they pulled the plug on third-party apps, I took it as a goodbye.
I see myself sometimes opening my phone to “do something” but I have almost no apps to waste time on. I’ve reused that time to do better things, which feels nice. I read a little more here and there, I learn stuff of wikipedia when I’m on my phone, or I get up and do something else. It’s been great for me, even though I’m kind of sad to see it go. Lemmy is a great community, though I’ll try not to start using it so much, just for my own sake and not on the fault of the platform itself.
Same. I find myself scrolling through my apps and can’t decide what to do. Got me to open Duolingo which I had forgotten was installed. At least doing something productive now.
Same here, but as of now just need to find things to fill that gap. Started reading a little more this morning so hopefully that will help with that
Same, I had a birthday recently and my wife got me a kindle. I’m not great at reading and often have to look up words as I go, but that’s easy. I just finished The Name of the Wind and am on to the second book. I highly recommend it as it was easy to read and very engrossing.
I read every chance I get now.
I was already learning Spanish, but not having Reddit has upped how much time I’m spending learning. So yay I suppose. Plus, less doom scrolling is probably healthier.
I’ve found myself taking my Steam Deck into the washroom instead of using reddit in there. Play a game for 10 minutes instead of doom scrolling.
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Same here, indeed it’s for the best
Same, I used to scroll reddit a lot, but since I switched to lemmy my lemmy usage is nowhere close to reddit.
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I’m spending way more time!
I didn’t really like the community in Reddit that much. I used it more like a news feed. So I never read ‘all’, I just read my subs for a few minutes here and there, but I didn’t post and comment much.
Since coming here I post and comment a lot more. There seems to be more proper discussion here, despite being much smaller and quieter.
I think overall my social media time has gone down considerably, but my direct interaction (ie posting and commenting) has gone up.
For me it helps to know that somebody is actually going to read this comment and it won’t be buried under 1000 others. You usually had to get to a post pretty early on Reddit to have your comment be seen, and I mostly browsed /all.
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Yeah I also post and comment way more. I probably have more comments here during the last month than I had there combined since 2006.
The splintering, the difficulty of the federation relative to the easy UX of the silos, the normal pickup time of any new thing on the internet, but most of all, [unlike Reddit and every other platform], there is nothing in the server code which is designed to keep you here. Go play with your cat, and post a video of it.
I’m contributing more- I made/mod a couple communities that I was missing and now I’m outside finding content for them more than inside scrolling.
Same here. I dont know if it’s something connected to the switch to Lemmy (since I also deleted my tiktok and Instagram account), but maybe it’s a contributing factor as more people here are feeling the same
To me there’s less engagement right now in Lemmy than there it was in Reddit, partially because there is less content, but hopefully this will change in the near future
I’m the same, used to spend hours scrolling but use it only about half an hour. Quite happy about breaking the cycle.
Also, the UX experience is much better. I always felt Reddit was super slow to load.
New reddit is slow. .old.reddit is pretty fast.
Same! I keep looking at R…and getting annoyed. I miss bacon reader.
