• DragonTypeWyvern
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      5 months ago

      The conflict between ACAB and All Vigilantes Are Also Bastards has always been my primary concern with anarchism tbh.

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        5 months ago

        I feel like people who enforce rules are necessary in any society. I note that cops in Scotland or New Zealand manage to do their job without killing lots of citizens. I dont think that being murderous unaccountable over-militarised gang is necessary to do the job.

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        5 months ago

        At least vigilantes aren’t above the law. We don’t reeeeeeally have police police, but we could have vigilante vigilantes.

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          5 months ago

          Who vigilantes the vigilante vigilantes? It seems like in the end you really just need some form of professional rule thug that just has actual public accountability.

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            5 months ago

            At least they’re held accountable to someone or something. Even if we have to have 40 layers of vigilantism, it’s better than what we have with police today - essentially zero accountability. Qualified immunity exists, and police oversight boards are routinely voted against, etc.

            I’m not an expert in this field, I don’t have all of the answers. I don’t think we can really get all of the answers on a topic as large as “how do we keep society safe” without trying things. I do think the thing we’ve tried for the last little bit has run its course, it’s shown us it doesn’t have much merit, and I’m ready for another system.

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      5 months ago

      NGL that doesn’t seem very convincing. Lots of what ifs and hypotheticals that sounds like the Office bit.

      “Just krrrrsht and then you’ll be saved.”