It benefits NATO countries to curb the expansion of a rival power
“Rival” power is a matter of choice though, isn’t it? The EU could as easily have chosen to align with Russia as with they’ve done with the US. In the same way that both France and Germany are powers but they’re not really rival. EU should have gone its own way after 1991, NATO stopped making sense after the communist block was dissolved, and the fact that it kept growing and moving further towards the east in violation of the agreements reached last century, kinda shows that it’s not a defensive alliance as much as it is subservience to US’s geopolitical interests.
This isn’t to say the EU should be aligned to Russia or that the war in Ukraine isn’t primarily Putin’s fault, or that there shouldn’t be a military alliance in Europe, I’m just saying the US shouldn’t belong to it, let alone dictate its terms.
It’s rather misleading to portray Ukraine as a democracy in any sense of the word, but I’m curious as to which fascist state you’re immediately convinced I’m simping for here. Is it perhaps my own country, which I’ve watched debase its entire population with the plague of Christianity, authoritarianism and anti-“wokeness” into a horrifying type of zombie that still has the audacity to call itself a Russian “person”, all just to distract us from 200% cumulative inflation in 12 years that has reduced the horizon of planning of most of its people to one week, with the state replacing the notion of “law” with “obedience” in the process to polarize every living thing that has a brain?
I do not operate under the terms “the saviors” and “the baddies”, nor do I believe that the US should cease military aid to Ukraine. I’m just committed to dispelling the image of normalcy that a “good vs evil” portrayal creates.
It’s crazy that this isn’t even the first comment I’ve seen this week arguing that the Ukraine war is somehow a conspiracy by the West to sell more weapons, as if Russia didn’t just roll up and invade them, illegally and unprovoked
Do you recognize being invaded by a foreign country is a legitimate problem a country might have to face? If you do, and you oppose private military industry, that means you support public military industry, right?
Ofc there are situations that require military defense expenses. Once said that, using the military expenses to cross all the red lines drawn in the aftermath of WW2 is not to prevent a foreign invasion, but to instigate the chapter 3.
Do you think Russia will patiently wait until every country bordering it is pointing missiles at it? Then you understand nothing about big-scale military conflicts.
By “crossing the red lines” do you mean ex-Eastern block countries joining NATO? Those countries joined out of their own free will BECAUSE they feared Russia might want to attack them. And, oh surprise, Russia did attack the one country not sucking up to them that didn’t join NATO. Why should Russia’s security be sacred above that of all its neighbours?
If by red lines you don’t mean that, then they’ve clearly not been crossed. Russia and US or EU troops have not directly fought each other, and no country has used nuclear weapons so far.
“Patiently wait” is a funny way to spell “invade and systematically undermine.”
No reason every country around them has missiles - right? No history of getting rolled, by them. Not like there’s an alliance specifically dedicated to stopping them from gobbling up nearby territory whenever they feel like it.
A good way imperialists discovered to launder money from european and americans taxpayers. Fuck Zelensky ( don’t mistake with Ukrainian people)
Those damn imperialists providing weapons to a sovereign country in order to protect itself from it’s imperialist neighbor trying to annex it!
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Multiple things can be true. Both of these claims are true.
It benefits NATO countries to curb the expansion of a rival power without losing a single soldier.
Assisting in a sovereign country in resisting annexation by a genocidal occupier is a good thing.
You don’t always have to suffer to help someone else, some situations can be win-win.
“Rival” power is a matter of choice though, isn’t it? The EU could as easily have chosen to align with Russia as with they’ve done with the US. In the same way that both France and Germany are powers but they’re not really rival. EU should have gone its own way after 1991, NATO stopped making sense after the communist block was dissolved, and the fact that it kept growing and moving further towards the east in violation of the agreements reached last century, kinda shows that it’s not a defensive alliance as much as it is subservience to US’s geopolitical interests.
This isn’t to say the EU should be aligned to Russia or that the war in Ukraine isn’t primarily Putin’s fault, or that there shouldn’t be a military alliance in Europe, I’m just saying the US shouldn’t belong to it, let alone dictate its terms.
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It’s rather misleading to portray Ukraine as a democracy in any sense of the word, but I’m curious as to which fascist state you’re immediately convinced I’m simping for here. Is it perhaps my own country, which I’ve watched debase its entire population with the plague of Christianity, authoritarianism and anti-“wokeness” into a horrifying type of zombie that still has the audacity to call itself a Russian “person”, all just to distract us from 200% cumulative inflation in 12 years that has reduced the horizon of planning of most of its people to one week, with the state replacing the notion of “law” with “obedience” in the process to polarize every living thing that has a brain?
I do not operate under the terms “the saviors” and “the baddies”, nor do I believe that the US should cease military aid to Ukraine. I’m just committed to dispelling the image of normalcy that a “good vs evil” portrayal creates.
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It’s crazy that this isn’t even the first comment I’ve seen this week arguing that the Ukraine war is somehow a conspiracy by the West to sell more weapons, as if Russia didn’t just roll up and invade them, illegally and unprovoked
It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a colossal arms industry that will bankrupt the West and Russia the day wars around the world end.
Do you recognize being invaded by a foreign country is a legitimate problem a country might have to face? If you do, and you oppose private military industry, that means you support public military industry, right?
Ofc there are situations that require military defense expenses. Once said that, using the military expenses to cross all the red lines drawn in the aftermath of WW2 is not to prevent a foreign invasion, but to instigate the chapter 3.
Do you think Russia will patiently wait until every country bordering it is pointing missiles at it? Then you understand nothing about big-scale military conflicts.
By “crossing the red lines” do you mean ex-Eastern block countries joining NATO? Those countries joined out of their own free will BECAUSE they feared Russia might want to attack them. And, oh surprise, Russia did attack the one country not sucking up to them that didn’t join NATO. Why should Russia’s security be sacred above that of all its neighbours?
If by red lines you don’t mean that, then they’ve clearly not been crossed. Russia and US or EU troops have not directly fought each other, and no country has used nuclear weapons so far.
“Patiently wait” is a funny way to spell “invade and systematically undermine.”
No reason every country around them has missiles - right? No history of getting rolled, by them. Not like there’s an alliance specifically dedicated to stopping them from gobbling up nearby territory whenever they feel like it.
Oh poor russia, lol.
Oh, honey… You won’t find many useful idiots here. Try Reddit.
I wish that were true. Plenty of people on .ml and hexbear willing to suck up to Putin.
6 upvotes and they’re on a .de instance. Smdh
Okay Putin