• Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
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    5 months ago

    My issue is most DV is a misdemeanor. As such, you shouldn’t lose a constitutional right over it. What other misdemeanor do you lose rights over?

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      5 months ago

      I reject the idea that any criminal convition nulifies an absolute right.

      Someone is convicted of assault and battery, armed robbery, homocide, etc., they may still possess firearms. Laws do not prevent mass murder, street gangs have unlimited fire power, blackmarket sellers don’t ask why someone is buying it, thereby people are butt studpid to believe a law will forever eliminate homicide.

      It’s a cultural problem in society, not a gun problem. If I had a neighbour who was in prison and now has multiple firearms for sport shooting, I might try to be friends with that person to go shooting together and listen to how they changed their life from their prison days.

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        5 months ago

        Felonies restrict rights. I have no issue with that. We take away many rights under a felony.

        Otherwise there is no punishment.

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          5 months ago

          I reject a felony affecting individual rights. I will never report anyone with a conviction for possessing guns.

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            5 months ago

            There is more to this than guns. This is about losing constitutional rights over a minor conviction.

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                5 months ago

                A misdemeanor conviction is a minor conviction. A serious crime is a felony.

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              5 months ago

              Every and all kinds of convictions will never negate or nulify consituional rights. A criminal still keeps 100% of consituional rights. No law restricts a constituional right.

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                5 months ago

                Criminals do not keep all their constitutional rights, when they are incarcerated they are not free to move about or posses many things. Felons on probation are not allowed to associate with other felons.

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                  5 months ago

                  And after they have been released from incarceration, I treat them as still posessing every and all constituional rights.

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                    5 months ago

                    How you treat them doesn’t change that they’ve lost rights expressly enumerated in the constitution.

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                5 months ago

                That isn’t true. A felon can’t vote in many jurisdictions. They can’t own a gun. They can’t run for certain offices. There are many things a felon can’t do.

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                  And I reject all of that. I say a felon can still vote, hold office, and own guns. When I find out a convict has firearms or guns, I do not report them because I protect their eternal right to own guns, unrestricted, regardless of a record.