• Shard@lemmy.world
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    Physical proof? No. But if that’s the criterion for proof that someone existed, then that mean 90% of historical figures can’t be proven to have existed. We don’t have the remains of Alexander the Great or any artefacts we can be sure are his. We have no remnants of Plato, none of his original writings remain.

    Did a person name Jesus live sometime during the first century AD? Scholars are fairly certain of that. We do have textual evidence other than the bible that points to his existence.

    It is highly unlikely that he was anything like the person written about in the bible. He was likely one of many radical apocalyptic prophets of the time.

    We don’t have too many details about his life but because of something called the criterion of embarrassment we have good reason to believe he was baptized by a man named John the Baptist and was later crucified. (i.e. most burgeoning religions seeking legitimacy don’t typically invent stories that are embarrassing to their deity)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

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      then that mean 90% of historical figures can’t be proven to have existed

      Well for most of those we tend to use independent verification for their existence. And in the case of jesus, we have literally zero Credible examples of independent verification.

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        If you mean Jesus as described word for word in the bible? Yes you are right. Such a mythical figure never existed.

        A man name Jesus from the first century AD? Who preached in the Levant? Who was baptized by a man named John and was later crucified? There is good enough evidence of such a person existing. This isn’t even a debated question among new testament scholars anymore.

        I see you are familiar with Bart Ehrman, Even he doesn’t dispute that a historical Jesus existed.

        https://youtu.be/43mDuIN5-ww

        Here’s an even deeper dive from Bart Ehrman.

        https://youtu.be/4CD5DwrgWJ4

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      We do have textual evidence other than the bible that points to his existence.

      Idk why you would need textual evidence besides the Bible to be certain the guy existed. It’s not like these are magical books that sprung from the earth. They have historical reasons for existing and the most likely reason includes the existence of the dude.