• barkingspiders@infosec.pubEnglish
    1222·
    6 months ago

    I am a little biased because I’ve been using Debian professionally for many years now but we don’t deserve Debian. It is fantastically stable and reliable and makes an excellent platform for running your services off of. If you are at all interested in offering some time and energy to the open source community, consider adopting a Debian package!

    • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world
      491·
      6 months ago

      I’m thinking about a Linux laptop with FOSS software for my business actually, Lemmy’s relentless horde of pro-Linux propaganda has won me over

      (OK I’ve always liked FOSS I’ve just never taken the jump)

      • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
        371·
        6 months ago

        ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

        but seriously, modern FOSS distros (yes, debian is modern, damnit!) are amazingly good. you have an exceptionally high probablility of switching and staying switched.

        • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world
          6·
          6 months ago

          I’m looking forward to it!

          Side note: anyone got recommendations for business software? I’ve started browsing the FOSS community here for ideas but I’m not sure what QuickBooks alternatives exist

          • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
            5·
            6 months ago

            I’m an accountant.

            The best accounting software will be the one your accountant uses.

            When clients are on the same platform that I use internally everything just matches up and it’s beautiful and elegant and amazing.

            When clients are using something else it just doesn’t fit our workflows and it’s just more of a fuck around, which of course the client gets charged for.

    • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
      51·
      6 months ago

      That’s how I feel about arch, it’s not “stable” but the few issues I’ve had they typically have it fixed with an update within hours.

      I do have to clarify when I switched to arch from windows my entire computer was brand new and practically no other distro booted or if it installed it dumped me to a black screen.

      After running my server on archlinux with the stable kernel for 7 years I did install Debian on my new server. Zfs just required an older lts kernel than I could get on arch without a ton of hassle. I didn’t need it on my Mac mini with an external hard drive plugged in. From my experience it’s not very different to maintain compared to arch but it’s nice having built in automation instead of writing my own.

      Man it’s weird using a system of what I can guess is a bunch of bash scripts on Debian to set things up compared to just using the tools built into and written for systemd.

      • dan@upvote.au
        10·
        6 months ago

        it’s not “stable”

        “stable” in this case means that it doesn’t change often. Debian stable is called that because no major version changes are performed during the entire cycle of a release.

        It doesn’t mean “stable” as in “never crashes”, although Debian is good at that too.

        Arch is definitely not “stable” using that definition!

        • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          Yeah, I know the definition. I knew someone would quote it verbatim, someone always does. I quoted it because it’s not the word I would use. I like scheduled or versioned releases better but someone always disagrees with me. As far as I’ve seen it’s a major/minor version release cycle anyway.

  • mox@lemmy.sdf.org
    223·
    6 months ago

    Tell me you’re an opinionated novice without telling me you’re an opinionated novice.

    (edit:specificity)

  • notanaltaccount@lemmy.world
    191·
    6 months ago

    The packages in Debian are really old. It’s awful.

    I was looking at my xzutils package the other month. “So outdated,” I thought, envying the cool hip trendy Arch users.

  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
    16·
    6 months ago

    YEARS OF BACKPORTS yet NO REAL WORLD USE FOUND for staying more than ONE VERSION behind

    I have a really old computer that still gets the job done, and just getting up to Bullseye broke it a bit.

    I know, I know, it’s just a meme.

  • dan@upvote.au
    131·
    6 months ago

    Debian gives you a choice though. If you want stability, install the stable release. If you want newer packages, install the testing release. Just be sure to get security updates from unstable (sid) if you do that.

    “stable” in this context means that stuff doesn’t change often. It doesn’t mean “stable” as in reliable / never crashes, although Debian is good at that too.

  • Blastboom Strice@mander.xyz
    9·
    6 months ago

    It is possible though to get newer versions using flathub or somethibg, right? (I know very little about linux, but I’m thinking of switching from win10 to debian next year.)

    • TechnicallyColors@lemm.eeEnglish
      17·
      6 months ago

      For normal desktop users, yeah Debian Stable + Flatpaks is a winning combo for picking the software that you want to be cutting-edge and leaving the rest to rock-solid stability. Normally Linux distros keep a full ecosystem of packages that interop and depend on each other, but solutions like Flatpak have their own little microcosm of dependencies that can be used independently of the host distro. There are also Debian Backports for when you want native Debian packages that are more cutting-edge but still compiled to work with your older base system. Backports are not available for most packages but sometimes the important ones are available, like the Linux kernel itself. You can also try to compile your own backports, but you’ll be responsible for updating it.

    • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
      5·
      6 months ago
      1. No better time than the present
      2. Yes there are ways of acquiring the latest packages even on Debian stable. Usually I end up compiling that stuff myself
      3. If you’re at all unsure if you want to deal with Debian not pushing the latest and greatest updates you do have options such as running Debian Testing or MX Linux (which itself is based on Debian Testing)
      • Blastboom Strice@mander.xyz
        5·
        6 months ago
        1. No better time than the present

        Look, I’m already trying (and kinda succedding) to avoid doing some hard tasks I have to do, don’t push me further into the rabbit hole.😆

        Ugh, now I’m considering doing it in 2 weeks, what have you donee

        • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          Sure thing. Just remember its better to do things you want to do rather than waiting for things to be perfect. Lord knows its something I need reminded of sometimes

        • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
          3·
          6 months ago

          Sweet. Welcome to the cult of Debian.

          We (Debian users and contributors) are inevitable. Our quiet satisfied computing cannot be stopped, only delayed.

          We should consider getting some fancy robes and a few club houses, though. The only thing that can make Debian better is cookies and tea.