even taking about issues like this one outside of !worldnews will get you called out for spreading “Republican propaganda” (as you can’t make it seem that Biden and his allies want to expand the current war)
You are constructing a counter factual universe here and trying to impose the weird viewpoint on everyone else by sheer repetition. Talking about Israel’s crimes, in this or pretty much any other place on Lemmy, is obviously fine. I dare you to find me even a single place where someone talks about Israel and someone else chimes in with “how dare you! You are making Biden look bad!” out of the blue, or anything else that is remotely like that interaction.
What people respond negatively to, I think, is a specific gang of accounts that tie every single story about anything somewhere in the world back to “And that’s why don’t vote for Biden!” when the pure logic of it (or of him being happy about Israel’s war let alone wanting it to expand) makes no sense at all.
What, exactly, are you saying happened in this comment thread you’re linking to? And then why it was wrong? I just want to have it straight before I address it.
They didn’t say Biden had any part in the genocide, they said:
There is a very real chance that Biden’s unquestioning support of Israel will lead to WW3.
Bibi knows whatever happens, Biden will always have his back. He can’t get that loyalty from any other US president
Those are two dubious statements followed by a third that is explicitly and laughably objectively false. Every US president has had Israel’s back. The idea that Biden is somehow exceptional is the part that is Republican propaganda, not the idea that he has any part. He clearly has quite a large part in it, I think. I would stop short of saying he’s “responsible” for it at this point, although I guess that one is debatable by people of good faith.
But saying he’s a departure from the norm for US presidents because of his nearly-total support for Israel is explicitly false, and is being used quite effectively as propaganda against him in this election, yes. When was there a US president who didn’t support Israel?
Also, I want to get clear on this, too: Are you saying people should be unable to say that this is Republican propaganda? Like not allowed to say that, something is wrong with the forum if they’re allowed to make that claim about you? Or no?
There is a very real chance that Biden’s unquestioning support of Israel will lead to WW3.
In all five of these administrations – Eisenhower, Nixon, Carter, Bush 41 and Obama – the president actually believed that his predecessor had been too close to the Israelis, that it had cost us and that he needed to create distance. - Washington Institute
Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments. - NBC News
Support and unquestionable support are the keywords here. Israel has been supported by the US for 50 years but the degree has varied. Even Obama had disagreements with his vice-president over the issue (Biden’s Israel strategy is to never disagree with them).
Also, I want to get clear on this, too: Are you saying people should be unable to say that this is Republican propaganda? Like not allowed to say that, something is wrong with the forum if they’re allowed to make that claim about you? Or no?
People can say what they like as long as it does not break site rules.
You are constructing a counter factual universe here and trying to impose the weird viewpoint on everyone else by sheer repetition. Talking about Israel’s crimes, in this or pretty much any other place on Lemmy, is obviously fine. I dare you to find me even a single place where someone talks about Israel and someone else chimes in with “how dare you! You are making Biden look bad!” out of the blue, or anything else that is remotely like that interaction.
What people respond negatively to, I think, is a specific gang of accounts that tie every single story about anything somewhere in the world back to “And that’s why don’t vote for Biden!” when the pure logic of it (or of him being happy about Israel’s war let alone wanting it to expand) makes no sense at all.
This is the first time I noticed it: https://lemmy.world/comment/10803315 (since I replied I had an easy way yo find it again)
Just lmao someone wanted to put $10k on Biden being a candidate, I wonder how they feel about it now.
What, exactly, are you saying happened in this comment thread you’re linking to? And then why it was wrong? I just want to have it straight before I address it.
Saying Biden has any part in the genocide or what it could escalate into is Republican propaganda.
They didn’t say Biden had any part in the genocide, they said:
Those are two dubious statements followed by a third that is explicitly and laughably objectively false. Every US president has had Israel’s back. The idea that Biden is somehow exceptional is the part that is Republican propaganda, not the idea that he has any part. He clearly has quite a large part in it, I think. I would stop short of saying he’s “responsible” for it at this point, although I guess that one is debatable by people of good faith.
But saying he’s a departure from the norm for US presidents because of his nearly-total support for Israel is explicitly false, and is being used quite effectively as propaganda against him in this election, yes. When was there a US president who didn’t support Israel?
Also, I want to get clear on this, too: Are you saying people should be unable to say that this is Republican propaganda? Like not allowed to say that, something is wrong with the forum if they’re allowed to make that claim about you? Or no?
Support and unquestionable support are the keywords here. Israel has been supported by the US for 50 years but the degree has varied. Even Obama had disagreements with his vice-president over the issue (Biden’s Israel strategy is to never disagree with them).
People can say what they like as long as it does not break site rules.
As long as you don’t suggest for an instant that we stop being complicit. Then you’re a tankie Republican Russian Chinese child shill bot.