cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17294985

“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.” - Abraham Lincoln

“I am glad to know that there is a system of labor where the laborer can strike if he wants to! I would to God that such a system prevailed all over the world.” - Abraham Lincoln

“The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.” - Karl Marx

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
    93·
    5 months ago

    *northern republicans.

    The slavery thing was always more north vs south, Southern republicans were very much in favor of slaves too

    • DragonTypeWyvern
      7·
      5 months ago

      The Republican Party was explicitly founded as an abolitionist party, it’s partly why the Confederate states shit their pants in a baby rage when Lincoln was elected.

      https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/republican-party-founded

      That doesn’t mean there weren’t pro-slavery Republicans, there were quite a few, it just means they were evil AND stupid if they were.

      This is a more accurate criticism of the “helped end segregation” line. Yes, the Civil Rights Act was extremely bipartisan by modern standards, but the majority of the support was from the areas outside the South in general.

      • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        5 months ago

        again… the politics of abolitionism was more of a north vs south thing. not a party thing.

        The republicans, as noted in the very source you linked, were founded in the north. The northern states generally did not rely on slave labor and their economy was not reliant on it, in the way that it was in the southern states.

        as republican base’s shifted south and they became more involved in southern industry… their attitudes towards slavery, civil rights, and all that began to change. The two parties flipped positions, with democrats becoming stronger in the north also becoming influenced there. Civil Rights and simply not being assholes has always been a north vs south issue, not one of parties.

        • Omega_Man@lemmy.world
          5·
          5 months ago

          This is not correct. The Republican party was founded in 1854 as an anti-slavery party. In fact, when Lincoln won the presidency in 1860, he wasn’t even on some of the southern ballots. There were Northern democrats who were pro-slavery. I would imagine any southern Republicans were anti-slavery.

          • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            5 months ago

            lol. Like most populations, there’s variations.

            For example, Texas today. It’s dominated by republican politics; despite the cities being fairly liberal.

            Or Minnesota- mostly dominated by democratic politics, despite the outstate being very MAGA.

            But read your statement again:

            In fact, when Lincoln won the presidency in 1860, he wasn’t even on some of the southern ballots.

            Also not that the Republican Party stated in Wisconsin, (in the north.)

            Also, check out this electoral map of the 1860 election:

            Looks familiar, doesn’t it? Aside from most the western states not being, ah, states, that is.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      5·
      5 months ago

      The slavery thing was always more north vs south, Southern republicans were very much in favor of slaves too

      The Republican Party was founded as an abolitionist party, man. The GOP didn’t achieve any power of note in the South until slavery was dead.