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I think we need all support we can get to fight Google on this, so I welcome Brave here actually.
Use this link to avoid going to Twitter:
https://nitter.kavin.rocks/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304
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Yeah it’s really hard to say it’s only a reskin. It’s clearly not.
There is also https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium as an option.
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Their business model is replacing ads with ads they get paid for. Obviously they aren’t going to like Google making that harder.
Brendan Eich is an asshole deep in the Conspiracy Victim Complex too. I like Brave search as an alternative to Google but I’m still using Firefox
He also had to leave Mozilla in 2014 due to opposition to same-sex marriage.
Have you given Ecosia a shot? I find it better than Brave’s search, with the side-effect of not having a shithole CEO.
Ecosia “tree planting” is bullshit though. They only raise funds towards the statutory goal when you click ads, so if you have an ad blocker in your browser or purposefully skip over sponsored search results then they don’t make money towards the tree planting programme.
Well yeah, that’s how search engines make money. They aren’t magic
Exactly, and yet they claim “each search plants a tree”.
You may be right but I have been using Brave on iOS simply because you can’t just install Firefox and uBlock, and since I reconfigured the new tab page I haven’t seen any ads anywhere at all.
From now on, any browser that refuses to implement Google‘s evil shit should be worth a look.
Came here to say this; this was the main reason I had to switch off of Firefox.
And also you can turn off or disable a lot of the “questionable” content Brave has so it is pretty tame, if not, like Firefox.
Why not stick with Safari with the Adblock extension and all the others that are available?
Because this way, instead of two apps it’s just one and with better control over content blocking.
But every browser on iOS is just a wrapper around safari… So you’re still just using safari plus another app
At least there is a big (ish?) player in the Chromium-sphere pushing back against this.
The more browsers that don’t initially support this, the slower adoption by web sites will be. If enough of the browser market share remains incompatibe, and if we’re lucky, maybe this technology won’t stick.
Good. The last thing we need is an untrustworthy browser (eye roll).
https://nitter.net/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304
Nitter link.
Also, the Chromium forks need to get onboard. I think Opera doesn’t care about ads either so it will likely go against it but Microsoft will definitely add it to Edge.
Use Firefox :)
Mandatory Opera is fucking evil comment.
Holy shit that’s evil!
(Predatory loans up to 800+% and they use peoples phone contacts to message their family/friends if they miss payments)
I really hope Microsoft sees the light. Edge is the best browser for my productivity. Can’t work without their implementation of vertical tabs and tab groups.
Every so often I try it out on firefox and any option is just still not ideal.
As long as websites/advertisers see their visitors as using a Chromium based browser they will continue to target for Chromium, regardless of whatever front facing UI is used.
The inherent problem is Google has an outsized voice in Chromium’s developmental trajectory, and any major changes to Chromium will have downstream impacts, whether in actual implemented feature sets or forks making continued modifications on top.
The best way to protest is to not use a Chromium browser. Switching from Chrome to another Chromium browser is at best a side grade; everyone using Chromium is subject to Google’s whimsy.
Pragmatically it doesn’t matter if Microsoft chooses not to implement it; as long as Edge is on Chromium, Google can leverage this to continue to bully the web to their own devices.
Vivaldi is against it. might want to look at it instead of edge, it’s extremely customizable. Still chromium based though.
Will look into it. Thanks.
I guess nitter needs to be renamed to…nix?
Already taken by the best packaging format
NixOS enters the chat.
Brave has had my respect. Today, Brave earned my appreciation.
Firefox gang
What’s the Firefox equivalent to:
Brave.exe --app="http://lemmy.world"I use this a lot as I detest electron based applications. Mozilla dropped prism years ago and before that there was xulrunner and you cant open a JavaScript popup window without clicking a bookmark.
When Firefox has this very basic function perhaps I’ll consider moving.
This just changes the OS chrome on a browser tab right ? I generally dislike electron apps, but when they’re literally just a browser tab I’d rather just leave it in the browser.
This just changes the OS chrome on a browser tab right ?
No this just opens the website in it’s own window so it looks similar to an electron app, another way to do this is to open chrome://apps, drag any bookmark to this window/tab and right click to create icons.
It does nothing to the “OS” of the browser.
Dude, “os chrome” refers to the window, as in the frame around the webpage.
So yes, it’s like a browser tab with a hidden url bar. Amazing.
Well TiL some programming terminology.
Thanks
I would recommend this extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pwas-for-firefox/
It adds support for PWA in Firefox. I use it because Firefox dropped native support for PWA in Firefox.
I used this for awhile but it’s more of a framework that requires vcredist and a local install of pwaforff binary to work around the short comings of mozilla pulling the plumbing out of the browser.
It’s a good workaround can have it’s issues when one part receives an update that the rest isn’t aware of.
You can use ferdium for that. I also made a profile, that has hidden all possible buttons and I made links to open website in that cut down profile. You can also use user.js to make it really slick.
I use brave and this is built in and still gives me the protections offered by Brave.
What protections does this offer?
Additionally I see mention of electron in the code!!!
Ferdium is based on electron. But it actually uses it to render websites. It’s slick and handy. When talking about profiles, I mean in Firefox, which will grand you all the protections you need. If you need to add addons or change settings, with the user.js config, you will need to type about:setthings or about:addons rathet then cluck on a few buttons, but if all you use it for is just a few sites working in a single window, it’s fine.
Sorry but the less electron in my life the better.
I see no need for ferdium if you have a good browser. It’s just something else picking up more mozilla shortfalls.
I personally switched back to Firefox after 13 years earlier this year and was surprised just how easy it was. All my main extensions exist on Firefox and it gave me an opportunity to remove some extension bloat at the same time. Highly recommend.
This, I didn’t move from chrome for so long because I had my passwords stored on the google password manager, but then I started using bitwarden and I could move to Edge, and then I found a speed dial extension that could backup every dial and its properties and is available on every browser, so I moved to Firefox and it was so easy and fast. The only thing I miss is being able to make apps or shortcuts from websites that will open on their own fullscreen window, but it is not a big deal.
I switched over what probably was a small thing, but is big to me.
I like to have my tabs in a list, and google enforced the grid and kept breaking ways to put it back to list.
Once they blocked me from being able to revert, that was it.
I still use it on my work machine as I find the syncing works beautifully, important as I have need to swap between desktop and laptop occasionally, and there are other desktop features I enjoy.
But as for mobile - I am done.
I adored the fox when I used Mozilla everything back in the day, so it’s like coming home.
I switched over what probably was a small thing, but is big to me.
I like to have my tabs in a list, and google enforced the grid and kept breaking ways to put it back to list.
Once they blocked me from being able to revert, that was it.
I still use it on my work machine as I find the syncing works beautifully, important as I have need to swap between desktop and laptop occasionally, and there are other desktop features I enjoy.
But as for mobile - I am done.
I adored the fox when I used Mozilla everything back in the day, so it’s like coming home.
Yea when I started my Degoogle thing a few months back, I also switched to Firefox and it’s been great.
How has your degoogle process being coming along? For Google Photos, I’ve just switched to Immich and it’s perfect
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Try container tabs!
They have separate sessions so you can be logged in to the same site on multiple accounts. This is extreamly useful for stuff like being logged in to github using work account and company account or other sites where you just need many accounts. Aws is another good example.
There is also temporary containers that leave no trace at all.
Container Tabs sounds so useful, but fair warning to anyone else looking to check it out… I think it’s kinda buggy. My sessions got all fucked up when I tried using it. I ended up removing it entirely and just going without.
been using it for years without issue. What you experienced is a fluke
I mean… ok. Doesn’t change my experience.
I’ve never encountered them being buggy, but I have encountered them being confusing and frustrating, like if a site wants to use Facebook to log you in, but you have Facebook running in a separate container, so it doesn’t work no matter how many times you sign in to Facebook. It’s easy to have happen in you forget you’re using containers.
You can also use that to separate spying websites. Eg. Any site with Facebook integration will think you are logged out, but when you go to facebook.com, it’s open in a different container where you are in fact logged in, cuttin on Facebook spying on third party websites.
current firefox silos cookies to the website now. other sites can’t look at your cookies now and it’s automatic
I didn’t know this, that’s really cool.
Containers are one of the best features Firefox has gained in recent years. They make managing multiple website accounts so much easier than trying to use multiple browsers or browser profiles. They are also useful for developers in lots of ways.
I don’t know why Mozilla doesn’t promote Containers more, they can’t even be used out of the box because they have to be enabled with an extension. It’s a far better feature than many of the other recent gimmicks like time limited colour schemes.
just in case someone is looking for that feature: it’s a Firefox addon
Oh that’s fantastic for AWS. I have a dozen chrome profiles for this type of behavior and it’s always sucked
omg i’ve left my ‘work’ stuff on edge because of this reason but i guess i’ll migrate this to firefox too 🤯
Firefox is great, so sounds like a win to me. :)
I love Firefox but It’s not as good as chrome profiles. You can’t just have a container with Honey and whatever tracking extensions just for shopping. It’s all or nothing.
Firefox Profiles work like Chrome profiles, although the UX is a little cliunky without an addon like Profile Switcher.
You have Firefox profiles too though.
But they are not as integrated as Chromes and requires a restart of the browser I think.
Nope. You can have multiple enabled at once. Switching the default profile will require restart. You can also make shortcuts to open specific profiles.
Wait, will Firefox be immune to this whole website DRM thing Google is trying to pull? That would be awesome. Fennec on Android gang.
The issue is less about which browsers will roll this out and more about which websites will require it. How soon until we can’t access banking information? Will filing taxes require this?
Oh, bummer. Got my hopes up and then dashed them quite expertly, sir. Bravo!
You see it to some extent on regular sites when browsing on mobile. Like if you go to Crunchyroll on safari or brave on iOS and try to stream a video it refuses to and tells you to download the Crunchyroll app. It is capable of streaming it though, since I can do so in Safari on Android.
So imagine that but more ubiquitous which locking out specific devices or refusing to let you login in a bank account by saying please download chrome or edge to access due to requiring DRM.
Safari on Android huh?
Well we will see. There will be a lot of demand for websites that doesn’t go along with this shit. So maybe we get a web where individuals again are contributing on their own sites while big tech goes the DRM way.
The same people who today run Lemmy instances are the kind of people that are also interested in seeing that kind of a web, and can help build it. We don’t do it for money.
Yea, but you can’t read news, cause they want to remove scrapers, you can’t watch youtube, since they want to block downloaders etc etc. It’s a procentage game. If enough of people won’t have the DRM enabled, it won’t be worth for websites to use it. Not implementing it yet, means that firefox won’t be contributing to the amount of users, but if high enough procentage of websites starts using it, firefox will be forced to implement this DRM or they will be killed off by browsers that support all the websites you want to browse.
Idk Brave is not a browser, but some crypto processig application. It tries to be more than browser, but I only need browser, so I am not going to use it.
Firefox seem to do the job just fine. <3
You can just turn the crypto stuff off, and the nice thing is when you turn it off it actually respects your decision and actually turns off
Have you used it? If you don’t want you won’t really notice anything crypto outside of the “new tab” screen. Not pushing anything onto the user while browsing. I’m not sure what people are talking about. Yes, you can have wallet there and make an insignificant amount of money by allowing their ads.
I’m not sure what people are talking about.
To me it’s just the principle of the thing. A browser replacing ads with it’s own is just… weird. The idea of being paid to be advertised to just makes me feel yuck.
The thing that comes up over and over is that all the weird stuff is opt-in. “It’s just like firefox, but it has an opt-in homeless person puncher, just in case you ever want that.”
Ordinarily I try to be as “you do you” as I can, but the thing that kinda rubs me the wrong way about Brave is that there’s so many people so loyal to what seems to me to be a bit weird.
Why not be loyal if they dont force anything upon you? The homeless person puncher is very far from accurate comparison. I see 0 ads and pay no money for it
I think you’re missing my point.
I use Firefox, don’t see any ads, and don’t pay any money.
What is the point of brave?
Have you used it?
Yes, I used it and switched to Firefox. Brave had just too much of a “HEY IT’S CRYPTO HERE” sort of UI elements to the point that this whole browser seemed like trash to me.
So I just switched to Firefox and been using it for the past ~1 year or so. Also their fiasco with overwritten URLs so they can make money really helped to push me away.
Switched back to Firefox myself. Highly recommend.
Firefox and ublock is where it’s at
I don’t agree with Brave’s business model, and the shady stuff they did, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Brave is awesome on iOS where it will block YT ads! However, for regular desktop usage I’ve been using Firefox for the better part of 2 decades. Never really weaned off it actually.
Especially with the sync option, they are the perfect alternative to Chrome or any of the other commercial initiatives.
Isn’t Brave doing this because they have their own way that they sell ads for coins?
I don’t entirely approve, I think. But if it helps fight Google’s domination of the market, fine.
I use it… I don’t agree to ads so I don’t get coins. which is great because I don’t want coins, I just want no ads.
nitter.net also works
