Vance is one of the least popular vice-presidential picks this century.
  • N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    90·
    3 months ago

    I feel dirty saying good things about Sarah Palin, but she was brought on to fire up the base and did just that. Vance has managed to alienate the base. I don’t think the incels even like him at this point.

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
      55·
      3 months ago

      Yeah people forget how long people looked favorably at Palin. The response to Vance meanwhile was an immediate and visceral “no thank you”

    • Vittelius@feddit.orgEnglish
      241·
      3 months ago

      Of course the incels don’t like him. He argues that childless people should pay higher taxes. How did anyone think that would go over with the “never even had sex” constituency?

      • Yeller_king@reddthat.com
        191·
        3 months ago

        I think the incel crowd generally want to strip women of their rights because they see women’s liberty as a main reason they can’t get laid.

        So, I’d imagine the childless cat women thing could hit with them because they’d be like “yeah, women should stop being so up-tight and have my babies!”

        Or something like that.

        • Bennettiquette@lemmy.world
          16·
          3 months ago

          yeah, single women with no kids are childless cat ladies, but single men with no kids are just victims of the uncompromising selfishness of childless cat ladies. sounds about right.

      • collapse_already@lemmy.mlEnglish
        6·
        3 months ago

        The dumb thing is: they already do. I get a deduction for my kid.

        I am sure the calculus had nothing to do with what the incels want - it’s not like they are going to change their vote.

        • Vittelius@feddit.orgEnglish
          5·
          3 months ago

          Sure, but you get rewarded, they would get punished. The outcome might be the same, but for a ideology built on grievances, the vibes matter

      • barsquid@lemmy.world
        5·
        3 months ago

        Incels would agree to pay more money if it harms women. All incels hate each other, men who aren’t incels, themselves, and women. That’s in ascending order. They are full of hate.

        • Vittelius@feddit.orgEnglish
          3·
          3 months ago

          Yes they would. And yes they do. And yes they are

          BUT…

          Incels also hate the cruel world that made them and the politicians upholding it. The problem with women isn’t, according to incel ideology, that they refuse to pick a partner. It’s that they pick the wrong partners. That’s where the dreaded “nice guy” comes from.

          So according to incels this doesn’t harm women enough but rather creates a tax on “normal men” for being “normal”. (And then they turn around and call themselves degenerates because their ideology isn’t the most consistent)

          Also if you are in these communities for long enough, then it becomes part of your identity. That’s how we get stuff like wizardchan. (People who believe that still being an incel at 30 makes you a wizard). And this is an attack on that from the outside.

      • Archer@lemmy.world
        6·
        3 months ago

        Always amazed people like him are right wing. Money won’t save you when the government can just take it from you and send people to kill you because they don’t like who you are

        • barsquid@lemmy.world
          6·
          3 months ago

          He thinks he’ll flee to NZ or wherever before the Repubs are able to put him against the wall.

        • PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          3 months ago

          Sure it can…the following book is about that and nonfiction. They want bunkers in New Zealand and shit. Crazy story but basically they do think their money can save them, so they have no incentive to act in any way other than selfish. And maybe they can “buy” the government, like Thiel with Vance and all the millions he gave him to run for Senate.

          If the person with the most money wins the apocalypse, then their one objective in life is to become richer and richer and richer. It’s a fascinating yet horrifying rabbit hole to go down but it does help to explain their fucked up actions.

          Survival of the Richest, Douglas Rushkoff

          Five mysterious billionaires summoned theorist Douglas Rushkoff to a desert resort for a private talk. The topic? How to survive the “Event”: the societal catastrophe they know is coming. Rushkoff came to understand that these men were under the influence of The Mindset, a Silicon Valley–style certainty that they and their cohort can break the laws of physics, economics, and morality to escape a disaster of their own making—as long as they have enough money and the right technology.

          In Survival of the Richest, Rushkoff traces the origins of The Mindset in science and technology through its current expression in missions to Mars, island bunkers, AI futurism, and the metaverse.

          Here is a podcast where he talks about it, sorry for Apple podcast link; the episode website itself doesn’t seem to exist anymore:

          https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-are-not-so-smart/id521594713?i=1000631377648

          He’s been on lots of them, so search his name on your favorite app for more, but I recommend the above Episode 207 of You are Not So Smart.

  • Artyom@lemm.ee
    391·
    3 months ago

    Sarah Palin was like a dog that peed on themselves because they’re an idiot. Vance is like a dog that bites their owner because they’re an idiot. Sure, Palin was dumb, but Vance is a real threat to all Americans.

  • Wahots@pawb.social
    341·
    3 months ago

    But since then, he has faced a rash of bad headlines about his past comments calling Harris a “childless cat lady,” his past support for a national abortion ban and even a baseless internet rumor about having sex with a couch.

    It may be baseless, but it’s quite plausible because he is just so…uh…the way he is. Trump, Vance, and RFK are all kinda weird. Hugging and kissing the flag, playing with dead things, etc etc.

    • cybervseas@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23·
      3 months ago

      Never forget that Pence was maybe even considering going along with Trump on J6, but Dan Quayle the potatoe man talked him out of it.

      Quayle was adamant, according to the authors. “Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,” he said.

      But Pence pressed him, the authors write, asking if there were any grounds to pause the certification because of ongoing legal challenges. Quayle was unmoved, and Pence ultimately agreed, according to the book.

      https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/09/dan-quayle-convinced-mike-pence-to-reject-trumps-coup.html

      • mPony@lemmy.world
        22·
        3 months ago

        Quayle was unmoved, and Pence ultimately agreed

        In the name of Murphy Brown I never thought I’d say this: Thank God for fucking Dan Quayle, of all people. once MAGA is in the dustbin of history that doofus should run for office on the platform of actually having saved democracy.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          181·
          3 months ago

          Dan Quayle is an idiot and an asshole, but unlike the current crop of Republicans, he actually wants the system to work. He doesn’t want everything to collapse for his grandkids.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      71·
      3 months ago

      I don’t agree completely. A lot of us were scared that old man McCain would win and die in office.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          21·
          3 months ago

          True, although he also had a history of cancer and other medical issues and cancer was what finally killed him. Being president ages you a lot unless you’re lazy as fuck like Trump. McCain was a lot of things, but lazy was not one of them. I think there was a decent chance he wouldn’t have survived his first term.

  • rustydrd@sh.itjust.works
    251·
    3 months ago

    Considering that Vance’s biggest accomplishment so far is writing a best-selling book, in which he cosplays as a poor person while trashing rural Americans, this about checks out.

    • snooggumsEnglish
      27·
      3 months ago

      She also came across as ditzy, not creepily malicious.

      • jeffw@lemmy.worldOPM
        20·
        3 months ago

        Vance 100% knows what he’s doing. He accepted that he had to sell his soul to become a successful politician.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        81·
        3 months ago

        I don’t know about that… but then I made sure to read about her past as mayor of Wasilla and before that. She is incredibly malicious and petty and vindictive.

    • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee
      61·
      3 months ago

      Palin at least gave grist for porn (nalin’ Palin). Furniture porn was hilarious before Vance, is still funnier without humans.

  • jj4211@lemmy.world
    23·
    3 months ago

    Palin alienated anyone vaguely in the middle, but on the other hand she had at least some particular support that she brought distinct from McCain (basically Tea Party folks that were not particularly excited by establishment republican nor McCain).

    Vance doesn’t have any particular support, he only gets indirect support for people who are “republican no matter what” or “MAGA all the way”, but those people were already covered by Trump. Even in his own state his margin of victory was much slimmer than the other republicans that swept Ohio in 2022, and Ohio’s not even a state considered to be a risk to Trump’s campaign.

    He was just a tremendously bad choice with no strategic benefit. The VP pick should somehow provide some coverage for demographics not hit by the presidential candidate, and Trump instead went with someone with very limited popularity that is a strict subset of people already supporting Trump.

    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
      11·
      3 months ago

      After seeing what the cultists were going to do to Pence, and that Trump was going to allow it, no one else was interested in being his VP. The only option was a bootlicker.

      • jj4211@lemmy.world
        5·
        3 months ago

        While the list was certainly constrained, he did have a line of boot lickers. Perhaps none more ardent than Tim Scott.

        Given how they keep want to accuse Harris of ‘not being really black’, maybe they would have wanted to have Tim Scott, so it’s still terrible but at least it’s not as completely insane as two white guys trying to gatekeep being black.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      3·
      3 months ago

      She also brought in the evangelicals because she was one of them. And she had the same false piety the other evangelical darlings have.

    • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
      3·
      3 months ago

      True, he only brings the few techno autocrats. Though that does bring money (though some of that money, like Elon’s, would have gone there anyway).

      But he was picked because he’d do what Vance wouldn’t and overthrow the election.

      • norimee@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 months ago

        he’d do what Vance wouldn’t and overthrow the election

        Pence, Vance, shitty Underpants…
        same, same but different…

  • zcd@lemmy.ca
    191·
    3 months ago

    He’s so spineless it’s baffling that they thought this would be a good choice?

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
      15·
      3 months ago

      Trump thought that he’d appeal to hillbillies and poor Midwesterners. Clearly he didn’t read Hilbilly Elegy beyond the title.

      If he did, he would have learned that, much like Clarence Thomas with black people, Vance paints all poor people in Ohio and Kentucky as lazy welfare recipients who should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps* and work harder 🙄

      *which was originally an expression for doing something literally impossible, as pulling on your own bootstraps would make you fall down.

      • RedAggroBest@lemmy.world
        2·
        3 months ago

        It’s not that it makes you fall, it’s just a non-lever. If you sit on your ass plant your feet flat, then try and pull on your ankles to help yourself up, you’ll get the same effect where it’s actively a hindrance to getting up.

    • RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world
      4·
      3 months ago

      That was a feature not a bug.

      Trump thought he was going to win and he wanted someone at VP who would throw the electoral college count into chaos and give him a third term.

    • Godnroc@lemmy.worldEnglish
      19·
      3 months ago

      I think there’s a fun bit of linguistics there. If you say more unpopular it implies that both are unpopular and one is even more so. If you say less popular, it implies that they are both popular, but one is to a lesser degree.

      • norimee@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 months ago

        For me, less popular would also include people who are indifferent about them, just less people exited. Doesn’t necessarily mean that people really dislike them.

        More unpopular seems to me there are more people who are actively against them, dislike them.

        I can be not popular, without being unpopular at all.

        But english isn’t my native or main language, so…