(posting to both communities)

A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community’s rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing ‘misinformation’, and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of “promoting harmfull actions against pets”.

As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn’t already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn’t) it most certainly isn’t now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it.

I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don’t condone them whatsoever.

        • ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          133·
          3 months ago

          Hells ya. We were lucky to get defederated from the beginning. It’s the worth part of Reddit just left only because of the mod tools and nothing else.

      • Eevoltic@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
        203·
        3 months ago

        I had already added !vegan@hexbear.net to the sidebar of the lemmyworld community a while back, but I just added a link to it on this community’s sidebar as it was absent. This community and the one on hexbear are the only two vegan places I can recommend on lemmy right now.

        • ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          192·
          3 months ago

          Thanks for that. Not everyone on Hexbear is perfectly vegan, but there’s a hard no fucking with the vegans, even outside the vegan community rule. It’s explicit that leftists should aspire to be vegan. We’re not perfect, but we’re the best not full vegan community I’ve been part of.

          • Eevoltic@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
            15·
            3 months ago

            Yeh, I’ve read your CoC.

            Animal Liberation is essential to any leftist movement, including platforms like Hexbear. Volunteers, comments, and posts, should not be anti-vegan, although users and volunteers are not required to be vegan.

            I think it’s a good rule to have

            As well as

            Any pictures of food containing animal products, including but not limited to meat, cheese, or egg, must be tagged nsfw along with food discussion content warnings (CW: Food).

        • Dessalines@lemmy.mlEnglish
          61·
          3 months ago

          I’d also like to keep !vegan@lemmy.ml a carnist/pickme-free space. It’s not very active either, and I’ll def encourage ppl to use your instance as it’s a vegan controlled space, but we gotta do our best.

          Vegans and animal comrades of the world unite!

    • BelieveRevolt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      142·
      3 months ago

      Absolute shithole of a site. I’m not surprised that this happened, but still kind of wonder why. Is it just ”wojak-nooo boohoo, you’re being mean to the carnists”?

  • Firestorm Druid@lemmy.zipEnglish
    222·
    3 months ago

    Clown 🤡 but we’re the vegans trying to indoctrinate people into our cult and force our beliefs onto others

    • MsSprouts@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
      184·
      3 months ago

      It was always projection with meat eaters as they often have double standards with vegans and then play as dirty as possible to get their ways.

  • Of the Air (cele/celes)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    171·
    3 months ago

    Sadly there are a bunch of instances that are known for unhelpful behaviour and unfriendly users. Whenever we see a comment that’s nasty etc we check and 9/10 it’s one of those instances. .world is one of them.

    We’re guessing this also promotes that kind of behaviour from mods and admins too, sadly.

  • 🏴 hamid abbasi [he/him] 🏴@vegantheoryclub.orgMEnglish
    7·
    3 months ago

    The lemmy.world and lemmy.ca admins are poor stewards of the lemmy federation and are not making decisions I align with. Lemmy.world is simply too big and its gravity threatens the overall health of the eco system. The lemmy.ca admins host reddit tier drama nonsense and are poorly gatekeeping their users. Removing both of these from federation on this server has really improved my experience.

  • MsSprouts@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
    97·
    3 months ago

    I heard the sirens calling a kilometre away considering many carnist comments were coming from lw. They want to silence us vegans and violate our human rights.

      • Of the Air (cele/celes)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        93·
        3 months ago

        This is true. Cats need to eat meat as there is taurine in it without which they go blind.

        Whilst we are vegan personally we don’t think cats or any animals that live with us should be forced to forgo their natural diets for our ideals. If they could consent to it then yeah, but forgoing their natural diets because we have a problem with it is in our opinion bad.

        We suggest any vegans that want animals that don’t need to eat meat don’t bring animals in their lives that need to eat meat. We suggest having something like a rabbit etc.

        We don’t, however, agree with this person’s behaviour over such comments.

        • NaevaTheRat [she/her]@vegantheoryclub.orgMEnglish
          102·
          3 months ago

          Hi there,

          Thanks for your contributions on this server, you seem like a reasonable sort. Unfortunately there’s a couple of issues with this comment but rather than just remove I thought I’d explain and let you make some corrections so you hopefully stick around.

          Cats need to eat meat as there is taurine in it without which they go blind.

          Cats need taurine yes! which is only found in meat naturally. However synthetic taurine is a thing (e.g. in popular energy drinks) and is frequently added to cat food. This sort of equivocation between meat and nutrients, in the same vein as referring to meat as the only source of protein, is problematic. Cats also have a few other issues with unprocessed veg stuff, it’s not like if you sprinked taurine over a dhal they’d be able to eat it, but that is a whole other thing.

          Whilst we are vegan personally we don’t think cats or any animals that live with us should be forced to forgo their natural diets for our ideals. If they could consent to it then yeah, but forgoing their natural diets because we have a problem with it is in our opinion bad.

          It probably doesn’t feel like it but this is speciesism. Privileging the pleasure of certain ‘pet’ species over the many animals they consume is problematic if we have other choices (the degree to which that is true is still being determined but tentative evidence suggests cats can avoid meat, or at least vastly reduce their intake). While the ethics of pet keeping is an entirely separate conversation everyone caring for non humans, whether in the context of pets or at a sanctuary, makes many decisions on their behalf. Consider for example that ‘wild’ domestic cats don’t each much fish and yet it’s very common for cat foods to be based on fish. Arguments to nature aren’t very useful for determining what is or is not right.

          This is a very emotive issue, but it’s important we assess it in a non-speciesist and vegan framework.

          Cheers,

          • arcane potato (she/they)@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
            91·
            3 months ago

            This is an excellent comment! I wanted to add that commercially produced carnist cat food has supplemental taurine added to it already, so switching to a plant based food isn’t introducing a new and ‘exotic’ ingredient.