I was going to drop my kid off at school when a dog ran between two cars and my back tire ran over a portion of the dog. I slowed down and stopped not knowing what to do and watched the dog hop up and hobble away into an adjoining back yard. What seemed to be the owner followed the dog into the back yard. I immediately pulled over but had to roll up my windows as my dog was riding along. I waited a few houses away not really knowing how to react and asking my kid what she thought I should do. When the dog quickly wandered off she wasn’t sure how I should act either.
What do I do? My initial hesitancy is tied to the dog quickly walking away into what looked like it’s home and the owner slowly following it away. I’m concerned of getting into the middle of a highly emotional situation if the dog needs to go to the vet. If the dog lay lifeless I would have had no issue with getting out and consoling as needed. Is there a difference? I think also am concerned I’ll get told I’m responsible and need to help cover any vet costs.
You stop and talk to the owner.
Maybe the owner didn’t know what happened, maybe the dog had internal injuries that it’s not presenting and needs to go to the vet.
The rest is secondary, an animal’s life is worth more then an insurance claim.
I plan on going back by later today.
That’s a day too late, should have been immediately.
Hopefully the dog is okay.
Can’t change the past, only decide what to do in the future. I agree that it should have been done straight away but perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of good, going back to check up on it is better than not doing anything.
If you hit someone’s dog and you see that someone you have a responsibility to stop and let the owner know what happened, not debate with your child for a while and go home to post on a forum.
The dog could easily be bleeding out internally and time may be of the essence.
Did you actually read Pelicanen’s reply? They’re not disagreeing with you. I don’t disagree either. The point they’re making is that it’s better late than never. Obviously doing the right thing in the first place is best, no one is saying otherwise.
Edit: if you’re trying to argue that returning ‘later today’, as OP claims to plan to do, is too slow/late then that’s a fair argument. That’s not what your comment reads like though.
I agree that it should have been done straight away but perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of good, going back to check up on it is better than not doing anything.
This is the part I disagree with.
Stopping, debating with to do with the child then going home to post on Lemmy is ridiculous.
Also OP had their own dog, I wonder what they would do if the situation was reversed.
Again, I don’t think your actually understanding what is being said. Yes, that is ridiculous. We agree. However what has been done has already been done.
Time as we humans experience it moves only in one direction. We can not go back to change that. Time travel does not exist. So the question is what should be done going forward.
Attempting even the least harm reduction, while inferior to avoiding harm altogether, is better than no harm reduction. Should OP have done much better? Yes. Should they do something now rather than nothing at all? Also yes.
Stopping, debating with to do with the child then going home to post on Lemmy is ridiculous.
I absolutely agree. The right thing to do here is the hard and scary thing, but it is still the right thing. And the right thing is clear.
The thing that really gets me is the parent asking the child what the right move is. Fuck.
Everyone agrees. But that shit happened, and you are talking to OP in the now, not the past.
Almost all commenters, and especially everyone in this chain has agreed that stopping is the right thing to do. We’ve cleared that. It’s settled business. Now what happens next? The right choice is to go back as soon as possible.
If you go back, this random internet stranger is proud of you.
And by the way. You ARE responsible and need to help cover the vet bills.
For the law alone, you damaged another person’s property.
From the moral standpoint, you insured someone’s pet, a living being. You have absolutely a moral obligation to take responsibility.
And as a parent, you have a moral obligation to teach your children to take responsibility for your actions and mistakes. Even if it cost you.
It is the owners responsibility to keep the dog out of the road. There is zero legal or moral responsibility to cover any vet bills.
The only property damage that would even be considered is damage to the vehicle, which requires stopping, calling the police to file an accident report and then reporting the accident with documented damage to the car insurance company.
Legally the dog owner is responsible.
Financially the dog owner is responsible.
Morally the dog owner is responsible for their pets wellbeing.
How could you get it so backwards? The dog owner failed to keep their dog safe and under control.
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What an insane take.
Personally, I would gone immediately. That said, it was a high stress, emotional, and scary situation. What’s done is done, there’s nothing that going back now would accomplish. If you really feel bad enough to go back and explain what happened, I would suggest a letter instead. Let’s you get it off your chest, let’s the owner know what happened, and doesn’t risk a physical altercation because the owner is upset about you not stopping immediately.
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve had 3 dogs hit by cars. The first survived, the driver did not stop. A neighbor told us. The second was lost and it took me hours to find him because the driver did not stop. It was devastating, and frankly, I’ve never gotten over his death. He was small, though, and it was night. I work off the assumption the driver thought he was a opossum or raccoon or something.
The third was hit twice, both times the driver stopped. Both times the driver was just as upset as I was, and we comforted each other. It wasn’t their fault. It was my fault for not staying in top of fence maintaince, or assuming because I live in the middle of nowhere that’s it’s safe to let them run. Most dog owners aren’t going to blame you, unless you’re driving recklessly or aiming for the dog.
You’re okay. It’s a horrible situation, but you didn’t do it on purpose, you didn’t do it out of malice. You’re still a good person. Be nice to yourself and try to move past this.
Going back accomplishes being responsible.
You caused damage with your car. Damage to a life, but still, pets are considered property.
Edit also op was potentially damaged too. It’s important to let the law handle it.
Driving off is the coward’s path, it is also conditionally illegal. (Hit and run, property damage)
If you’re worried for your safety, bring someone with you when you drop off your contact info.
I agree they should have stopped at the time. But going back after having left the scene initially accomplishes nothing of value. It may or may not be illegal. Already crossed that line. It accomplishes an arbitrary responsibility that serves nothing but upsetting the owner of the dog again. We’re probably not going to agree about it, I guess. I wouldn’t try to talk someone out of going back, but having been on the victim side of this (and the driver’s side, with a cat, where I did stop and talk to the owner), I would not advise they go back after having already made the mistake of leaving initially. Best argument is “I had to get my kid to school” which, to the grieving family, may well sound like “my schedule was more important than your beloved pet’s life.” That’s irrational, of course, but grief is not rational.
Unlikely, but that won’t hold up if a ring camera got your plate and the sheriff arrives regarding a hit and run.
In the future do not turn to your kid to ask her what she thinks you should do, unless your kid is an adult.
For now, if there’s no way to help then there’s no way to help.
One option you have is to leave your contact info. Doing this will likely lead to some financial responsibility for the dog’s care.
Finally, when passing close next to a line of cars go very slowly so you can stop in the short time it takes an animal to cross that tiny distance to your car.
Dogs are fast though, and low. Forgive yourself for the slip-up.
I’m sorry, that’s horrible. Did anyone else see what happened and stop? If so, chat to them first and see if they’d be comfortable backing you up on what happened (dog ran out, no time to react). Hopefully that’s not needed, but you never know.
I saw that exact thing happen when the car in front of me hit a dog. Poor thing was dying on the road and I heard someone down the street whistling for their dog to come inside. I went and told them what happened, and made sure to say that the driver is distraught and absolutely could not have done anything to avoid the dog. Fucking sucks for everyone involved
I feel horrible. I think it didn’t help having my daughter inside the car and the dog with me. I agree talking to the lady across the street and stopping back by to check in may be best.
It’s okay to feel bad for the dog, but in which country would you be responsible for the vet costs, when it’s the owners responsibility to keep the dog safe?
Edit: I would only approach the owner if you feel you can do so safety, you don’t know how people will react, explain what happened and leave.
That is helpful. Thank you.
It’s distressing seeing an animal injured, it’s also infuriating seeing so many pets put at risk by their shit owners and it’s just weird that people are posting telling you you’re legally/financially/morally responsible.
I think it is appropriate to stop and offer an apology for your part in it, even though this wasn’t really your fault.
I’ll also note, it’s not too late. You did have to get your kid to school after all, but you can still drop by at some point. You could offer them a small housewarming-type gift if you wanted, just a token to go with the apology. While this probably wouldn’t really compensate anything, a small token would at least be a little neighborly.
You should tell us which legislation and society.
USA?
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I wonder why no one is saying that since the dog was not properly leashed, it is the dog owner who is at fault. In fact, he would be responsible to pay for any damages to your car.
I don’t think there’s any way you’ll be responsible for this lol
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The answer to your last question should tell you why everything you wrote above it is fucking awful.
If you’re driving safely and an unleashed dog sprints into the road and goes under your car from the side, what the hell do you think you would do to avoid it?
It’s the owner’s responsibility and fault, not OPs
My other kid had a good perspective. He said if our dog ran out into the road unleashed we wouldn’t expect anything out of a driver who hits the dog.
If you’re driving safely, then you can see the dog coming.
If you don’t have line of sight to places where animals or children might be coming from, then driving safely means slowing way down.
Nope.
If you’re driving at 60kph / 37mph (60kph is a standard speed limit in residential areas here, not sure about the limits where you are), people and kids and dogs can sometimes be on the side walks. There can also be cars parked on the side of the road.
You can be as safe as is reasonably possible, but if something shorter than a parked car sprints out at full speed, into the side of your car, what are you going to do?
Yes be aware of your surroundings, yes drive at a speed where you can stop in a reasonable distance for almost anything that can occur in front of you in that environment. But no, not every single thing is avoidable
And most importantly - leash your fucking dogs
If you’re driving 37 mph next to parked cars, you’re going too fast.
In my neighborhood, next to parked cars, I go about 20 mph.
You can be as safe as is reasonably possible, but if something shorter than a parked car sprints out at full speed, into the side of your car, what are you going to do?
I’m going to stop. Which I can do because I’m going slow enough to do so.
It’s not a complex concept.
At 20mph, if something sprints into the SIDE of your car and under you back wheel, you’re not going to stop in time.
You don’t have precognition or superhuman reactions (and even if you did have the reactions of an F1 driver, physics are still going to happen). I applaud your approach to safety but your overconfidence is confusing.
At 20 mph you have time between when the space in front of a car becomes visible and the time your back wheel comes to match that point, to stop the car.
There is a speed at which you can see and respond to the thing that’s trying to dive under your car. That’s the whole model.
You’re watching as new spaces becomes visible as your position with regard to obstacles changes. As soon as you can detect there’s someone unexpected in front of that car, you can stop.
Firstly, you’re either vastly overestimating how good you are at scanning every single gap and new space while also taking in the rest of the traffic, road conditions etc, OR you are the most incredible driver to exist and your brain should be studied by self-driving car companies for their software.
Secondly, and this is the simplest way to show that you’re incorrect:
Average driver reaction time is 0.75 seconds (that’s to see something, and move your foot to the brake pedal and begin to hit it). At 20mph, you’ve travelled 22 feet before you even begin to slow down.
And that’s a generous reaction time. This article puts it at 1.5 seconds for unexpected side-incursions: https://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/reactiontime.html
You’ve now travelled 44 feet before even hitting the brake.
If that gap you’re looking at is behind a tall vehicle and we’re talking about a kid or a dog, you’re along side before seeing the entire gap. Your back wheels are hitting that sprinting dog well before you’ve even touched the brake pedal.
I’m starting to think you’re either making shit up just to argue, or your overconfidence in your own driving is actually making you more dangerous on the road than safe
20 mph ≈ 29 fps
Not arguing with the majority of what you said, but speed limit is maximum safe speed in perfect conditions. (At least here in the usa).
You are both expected and required to go slower depending on conditions.
Reduced sight lines means imperfect conditions and as such you are supposed to slow down.
That’s a good point, we had road safety ads and signs saying that the speed limit is not a target: drive to the conditions.
I would have gone into more detail about the type of roads that are signed at 60kph, 50kph and 40kph here, and the expected hazards on each etc. But at the end of the day, you aren’t going to slow down to car-park speeds for every parked car you go past, that would be making yourself more of a danger for other traffic.
And if you look at the reaction speed / velocity / distance travelled calculations I mention further down, you’ll never be driving slow enough to avoid a fast and low surprise side-incursion like a sprinting dog from between parked cars.
Safe driving limits the amount of hazards that would be unavoidable, but it doesn’t eliminate them.
All so very true.
One more bit of devils advocate though lol.
Slower driving would also give more time for the other ‘party’ to react and adjust as well / potentially limit the injuries sustained.
But realistically yeah it doesn’t make a difference because licenses are way to easy to get and keep (again usa - other countries may differ) and american drivers pretty much all have their heads up their asses 24/7.
100%. It’s all about minimising risk, my tone with my other comments probably came across a bit harsh. But that fucker was telling someone it was all their fault. And that when they drive, there’s literally nothing that they couldn’t stop in time for.
They were so confidently incorrect it was annoying the shit outta me
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Don’t listen to this person. Unleashed dogs are the responsibility of the owner in most states. Not only are you not legally responsible for the injuries to the dog, the owner is responsible for any damage to your car.
Thank you.
The owner is responsible for letting the dog roam uncontrolled.
Thanks.
If the dog ran into the path of the rear tyre, what do you think you could have done differently in this situation? The owner is responsible for their unleashed dog
I just feel terrible that I hurt a dog and don’t know how to react. I know it wasn’t on purpose but I get sad if I run over a squirrel in the road.
The owner hurt the dog by walking it without a leash and not having enough control over it to keep it from running into traffic. It speaks to your good character that you feel guilt over what happened, but you are not responsible and should not beat yourself up over it.
Hit and run is NOT the answer to any question involving vehicles.
