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There are people here who say that GNOME is a copy of MacOS I want to let you know that you that you are deeply unserious, one desktop is functional and the other is MacOS.
Same thing with people who say KDE is a Windows clone like Windows 11 didn’t just steal KDE design language but made it worse because unlike KDE which is unified, just a few clicks in Windows you are suddenly transported to 2010 with the old Windows control panels, and Windows users vastly prefer the older menus.
Linux desktops are superior to their proprietary rivals. We may not have Adobe (lmao who needs that shit 🥴), we may not have HDR (not yet, check back in a couple of months or half a year), we don’t have display mirroring (okay that one is valid) but our workflow is far superior.
GNOME did a lot of innovation and took A LOT of flak for it, but in the end they were right and most of the improvements to Windows Explorer after the disaster of Windows 8 were cribbed directly from it. The fact that you can launch a program on Windows by pressing the Windows key and typing two or three characters followed by enter is all thanks to GNOME. The fact that, after launching that program you can send it to the left half, right half, or full screen by pressing Windows-left, WIndows-right, or Windows-up is all thanks to GNOME. For all the talk in Windows 9x era programming manuals about how not all computers have mouse inputs, GNOME actually nailed down the keyboard-driven interface for “floating” window managers. The fact that you can hold ctrl-shift-left/right and drag these windows between several virtual desktops is just Linux users grave-dancing on Windows with a 10+ year old concept.
mfw Linux file managers had tabs more than a decade before file explorer.
I hate that the GNOME team is called “woke”? by a lot of Linux-using chuds online. Idk why though, it’s so fucking weird.
GNOME said anti-white racism isn’t real and the chud Linux community fucking IMPLODED
style. Super based af but those chuds are the loudest so people get negative impressions of GNOME (and the GNU/Linux community) because of those chuds.Lmao I always wondered what it was because these hogs never say why.
All the anti-GNOME, anti-Wayland, and anti-systemd people always seem to be chud coded. All this software has valid criticisms, but chuds always seem to latch onto weird social schisms and blow valid downsides out of proportion.
GNOME people just tend to not like bigotry, and that’s enough for chuds.
Workflow on Linux: Whatever I want. Workflow on MacOS: Whatever they want, and if I want to change something, I have to install a third party tool reverse engineered from their private API that will break on every update.
Gnome did kinda steal its look from osx though. Gnome looked nothing like that when osx was released.
Windows11 definitely stole a lot from KDE though.
I can’t see much except the most surface level similarities between GNOME and macOS, anyhow. After finally ditching Windows a couple of years back, I now use GNOME daily, and the transition was very natural. Annoyingly, I (have to) have macOS for occasional work stuff, and current macOS is nothing at all like GNOME except they both have dialog windows and popup menus, I guess? Even those don’t look or work similarly though, so I’m not sure where this idea that they are a copy came from. Maybe from people who haven’t used either one in years?
How in the hell macOS got a reputation for being intuitive, I do not understand; it is the polar opposite of intuitive. GNOME on the other hand, just works exactly as I would expect. It’s easy, it’s pretty, it’s free, and it doesn’t have any ads. Installing software is simple for non-technical people, and the home key takes you to the front of a line of text as you’d expect. 🤣
extra rant about macOS
Just about every time I try to do anything remotely productive in macOS it is massively frustrating and makes me literally angry.
- The fucking home key doesn’t even work properly, you have to do some weird ass key combination that I can’t remember to get back to the front of a line of text.
- Sometimes you hit the wrong key combination by accident, or have the audacity to click on the desktop, and suddenly every application you were using flies away.
- Installing a downloaded application sometimes is just not fucking allowed without messing around under the hood because the app developer didn’t pay Apple’s fee to mark it “safe”.
- The non-App Store installation process is confusing as shit. You have to click the “installer” disk image in your downloads to mount it, then click on the icon on your desktop (assuming you already knew it was going to show up there), which might then display a weird dialog with two icons just sitting there, and oh yeah you’re supposed to now also drag one of those icons and drop it over the other one, then unmount the disk image from your desktop or else it’s maybe confusing for your grandma when she uses the computer later and wants to run that application, like WTF is this process? Just fucking do the install and get out of the way!
- If you want to do anything that doesn’t happen to have been blessed by Apple, you probably have to pay some asshole for an app that might maybe provide some hacky way to do it until a macOS update changes how shit works and breaks it.
- Maybe it’s just me, but mouse clicks and general UI feedback from input on macOS feels incredibly sluggish all the time. I suppose they have subtle animation effects that are causing that, I dunno, but it always feels vaguely like trying to run underwater, and I’ve got one of the supposedly awesome Silicon M2 Mini purchased new within the last year, so I don’t see why it should be anything but snappy.
Just a constant barrage of basic established UI stuff functioning fundamentally differently for no apparent good reason is so god-damned frustrating in that pile of shit OS. I’m a technical user, so I can eventually figure out how to get done whatever I need to eventually, but holy fuck I don’t know how regular people manage in that usability abomination.
From the few Mac enthusiasts I keep in touch with, MacOS peaked with Catalina apparently. It’s like their version of Windows 7.
We may not have Adobe (lmao who needs that shit 🥴)
The majority of workers in many media-centric fields, unfortunately. Can’t for Adobe to rest on their laurels for so long that they finally lose some market share.
I’ve always seen people say that if you are coming from MacOS then try GNOME, and if you are coming from Windows then try KDE. This is the first time I’ve heard of anyone say either of those desktops blatantly ripped their respective OS’s off.
The two proprietary desktops are so feature-bloated that it’s hard to say exactly what “creative inspiration” was taken but KDE devs have talked about how they noticed Windows likes to copy KDE and even Deepin for their desktop for the “new and improved” ugly bottom bar that Windows users love to tell everyone they hate.
MacOS and Windows and KDE all use Qt as their toolkit so it’s not hard to see the similarities.
MacOS and Windows and KDE all use Qt as their toolkit so it’s not hard to see the similarities.
? QT supports MacOS, Windows, and KDE and is very popular but is only the default toolkit for KDE.
Sorry I was wrong about that part, MacOS and Windows use their own proprietary application stack.
They’re even worse than I thought.
Too bad em-dollar sign couldn’t steal KDE Plasma’s ability to create side panels.
Dgaf it’s10x better than Windows,
you’re trying to desperately hide Windows in the corner, putting up
to fight. Mac’s not winning that battle, sure, but bring out the red headed stepchildwat is 10 x 0
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I don’t get the joke, but yes, and it has been since like 1998. Toy OS for the computer illiterate.
alluding to those who will say something like, “linux is great, and macos is ok, but windows is awful!”
the worst people: “Linux is free for those don’t value their time” and the somehow worse corollary “macos is like linux but functional”
for the computer illiterate.
Except when you have a single little problem, then you need a degree in Apple bullshit to fix it
No, you just need a credit card.
No, MacOS’s UI is fantastic!
(Once you install 4 different 3rd party software tools (2 of which require licenses to buy (1 of which is abandoned and doesn’t work smoothly on any officially supported Mac OS)) to fix it)
Anyway this is a way of saying yes, stock Mac OS UI is very lacking and also asking, what Linux distro should I try if I like a lot of things about MacOS’s UI especially with the trackpad geature control and keyboard shortcuts for window organization and resizing I get from third party applications?
I dunno what’s best for you, that’s what’s so beautiful about Linux
Fedora Workstation or Silverblue. They come with the latest GNOME desktop environment which is closer to Mac’s design vision minus all appleisms and steve jobs worship. You can easily install extensions using the extension manager flatpak application which adds neat functionality like window tiling and blur.
If you want complete customization and control you can instead use Fedora KDE/Kinoite which you can customize to look like MacOS or your own custom design. I personally think KDE is generally more powerful and feature-rich than GNOME but GNOME has a simple but unique and intuitive design that doesn’t change and the GNOME devs are legit artisans when it comes to eye candy. GNOME is also the default Linux desktop on a lot of distros which is a plus.
Silverblue and Kinoite are atomic variants of Fedora that are based around atomic (one-click) updates to the OS image. It eliminates the haphazard-ness of Linux updates but certain things that are basic on non-atomic spins are slightly more involved (like installing additional programs outside of the ones in the image).
Any distro that uses GNOME as the desktop environment will have touch screen/trackpad gestures, an app tray, and virtual desktops, as well as a touch screen friendly interface.
Fedora Workstation uses GNOME by default and I really like the way that distro feels. Their full drive encryption is very easy to set up during install process too, just check the box and come up with a password.
If you haven’t tried Linux before, make a Live USB and boot from that to check that your hardware works with it. There is no fully stable Apple Silicon Linux distro so it will have to have Intel, AMD, or ARM cpu.
https://fedoraproject.org/workstation/download
There is a popular GNOME extension that adds window gestures as well. Video demo and link to get it
Cool! Thanks for the suggestion :)
That’s fine, I don’t have and I’m sure will never get Apple Silicon anyway, the new machines are extremely expensive, deliberately fragile and difficult to repair and maintain, and I hate the direction MacOS is going in (worse UI, genAI – one advantage of not having apple silicon is the ai bullshit doesn’t run on older chips!)
If your device has nvidia graphics you will need proprietary drivers, otherwise the kernel should “just work” without any tinkering. So if you have to buy new hardware, avoid an nvidia discrete GPU. But if that’s what you have, you can work around it. Intel and amd integrated graphics work great out of the box.
This is such an accurate comment. Mac is antithetical to productivity, out of the box. Managing windows on Mac is so frustrating. Especially if you run a vertical monitor because now the task bar is physically disconnected from the window. I hate it.
especially with the trackpad geature control
keyboard shortcuts for window organization and resizing
the window management options available for linux will make whatever you’re using on macos seem primitive, so it’s hard to tell you. best to look at your options and see what people do with them (i.e. on places like !unixporn@lemmy.ml)
Whoah. Cool, thank you!
Np! But also apologies because if you go down this rabbit hole it’ll make macos or windows even that much worse, especially if you get into the tiling window management options.
I use fancy zones on windows and yabai on macos but they’re poor imitations of my linux setup.
Nah, MacOS > Windows for me:
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Homebrew > Chocolatey. Yeah, Homebrew doesn’t hold a candle to apt/pacman/dnf, but with Homebrew you can install popular programs used in Linux like btop. With Homebrew, you can turn your terminal into something that mostly resembles a Linux terminal. Meanwhile, you’re stuck with installing Windows programs like Notepad++ with Chocolatey.
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MacOS comes with zsh by default, which is useful because zsh is used by other Unix-likes like Linux and BSD. As of Windows 11, the default shell is Powershell. Unless you really like Powershell, having zsh instead of Powershell is a plus if only because it’s also used in other OS.
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Spotlight > Windows search. Windows search is trash tier. It’s slow and gives you useless shit instead of what you want. And unless they really botched spotlight post-Catalina, spotlight is honestly better than most Linux DE searches. Not as good as the golden standard for searches: KRunner.
For everything else, they both suck and require third-party tools to make them suck less. Windows is only better than MacOS if you’re a g*mer.
Macos > Windows, but that doesn’t mean it’s not still garbage.
Spotlight is great. Alfred changed my whole searching game.
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As someone with a MacBook Air M2, the hardwares is top notch, some of the best in the world.
The software however, is complete garbage.
Time to check out https://asahilinux.org/
I don’t mean to be a total bitch, but damn, hardware support is… not great right now. no non-HDMI external display support (so Thunderbolt, USB-C, and DisplayPort displays are a no-go), no Thunderbolt or USB4 support at all (so good luck if you’ve been using a Thunderbolt dock to connect all your peripherals + display(s) via one cable), and the internal display can’t do 120Hz or HDR. it’s cool that it mostly works, but those issues would make Asahi Linux on MBP a non-starter for many professionals – especially since many of us who have been running Macs for a few years are using USB-C or Thunderbolt displays with built-in USB hubs or Thunderbolt docks at this point, or displays that can only run their full resolution and/or framerate via Thunderbolt or DisplayPort and run at lower resolution and/or framerate over HDMI.
Sure but I spotted asahi a year or two ago. At that point not much worked. Things are going forward pretty fast. Im impressed at whats been done so far
For an end user who uses Just WorksTM distro, Asahi Linux might not be “done” until they are able to boot their favourite distro’s installer off a USB stick and run its install procedure like they would on an amd64 machine. They likely also expect features like 3D acceleration, modesetting, WiFi, Bluetooth, Thunderbolt etc. to all work out of the box. For this to all be the case, all the relevant kernel patches have to be accepted upstream and then pulled into the distro’s generic kernel and the user’s particular machine must have support in U-Boot. Considering that at the time of writing, many of these drivers haven’t even been committed to linux-asahi, so this point is probably quite far away. For people who expect such things, Asahi Linux likely won’t be “done” for another year, maybe two.
https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/"When-will-Asahi-Linux-be-done%3F"
I mean, for me personally, I don’t mind having to do a good amount of legwork to get a distro running – that was the case with getting Linux running on most x86 laptops for a long time. but not even being able to get critical functionality working would make Asahi Linux a non-starter for me – I’d prefer to either get a PC laptop and run Linux or an MBP and run MacOS with a load of homebrew packages.
and don’t get me wrong, it’s really cool that Asahi’s development is moving so fast! but it’s just not at a place where I could run it on a work machine, and I bet that applies to many other professionals, too.
Can I dual boot it?
Yes I believe you can. Havent tried it myself but looking at some macbooks for next time
yea, never got why anyone would seek out macos. at least with windows you could run shit on it, i can download whatever repacks i want double click install and run.
windows (and yes, linux) runs on everything no issue everything from $100 mini PCs to 4090 gaming PCs, mac only runs on apple’s hardware (yes there is hackintosh but no one but nerds use that shit). same reason why i do not care about Apple Silicon, its not like I can buy it separately.
what exactly can’t you run on macos just out of curiosity?
more recently, software for reflashing firmware on my LTE Modem, only on Windows/Linux.
MacOS is the OS i only ever use because they make me use it for work and I’m glad it’s at least not Windows
ill take macos over windows any goddamn day of the week… i work in IT and managing windows machines is for suckers
The hell are y’all doing with the OS that doesn’t involve launching a browser?
Hexbear OS when?
The official OS of Hexbear is Red Star OS
Customizing vim mostly.
brogramming, dawg
also homebrew sux and blows
It ain’t THAT bad. Ever since they normalized on installing into /opt/homebrew/ it got a lot better.
its better than windows. low bar to clear but still.
Better than 11. I’m a Debian head for decades now, only boot windows for occasional rare Adobe or some game that works better there.
MacOS is the worst of all worlds, it’s like modern Linux but with some of the obfuscation of the file system out of the box and limitations akin to those imposed in a Windows environment.
worst thing my abusive ex ever told me was that macos was the best os 😔
I’ll be honest, I’ll take Mac os 10/10 times over Linux on my actual machine.
On a server? Linux 10/10 times. But you can’t take my M1 MBP and Mac OS away from me. Nothing comes close to the combo.
Absolute truth, and has been since day 1
The only thing good about macOS is zsh as the default shell.
i haven’t taken the time to learn zsh, but i imagine there is an advantage to configuring it for yourself
