• YeetPics@mander.xyz
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    3 个月前

    Have you stopped to think that plants also suffer stress when being picked?

    It’s kinda one-faceted to just ignore that suffering while focusing on other suffering don’t you think?

    True ethical consumption doesn’t exist the way you have it defined.

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      3 个月前

      Have you stopped to think that plants also suffer stress when being picked?

      Yes. And they don’t

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          3 个月前

          And you can’t prove it either. provide some evidence for your claim (that isn’t some unrelated study misinterpreted by silly news anchors)

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            3 个月前

            while you can’t prove a negative, it is possible to find evidence for a positive claim. so, very much, you don’t know that. the truest thing anyone can say is that there is not a conclusive study that supports the claim.

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              Even if plants might feel pain, we are certain that animals feel pain. Also if you think for whatever reason that plants feel pain, then, well, a vegan diet uses less plants because its a more efficient food source. Plants feeling pain, whether true or false, isn’t an argument against veganism in any way.

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                the crux of the argument that they might feel pain is not that it is wrong, but that it is inevitable, so it cannot be wrong

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                    3 个月前

                    when somebody raises the objection that plants feel pain, it’s not an appeal to hypocrisy. it’s a statement of fact whether we can prove it or not. and it’s the premise of a larger argument. that argument goes

                    pain is an inevitable facet of food production

                    food production is a moral good

                    an inevitable facet of food production cannot make food production bad

                    therefore

                    food production remains a moral good

                    your rebuttal was targeted at defending against the accusation of hypocrisy, but the devastating bit has nothing to do with the hypocrisy.

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        3 个月前

        They don’t, but they also kinda do … They communicate with each other and with animals, they have different chemical reactions to different stimuli, etc. just because they’re different from you doesn’t mean they don’t suffer. Probably less than factory animals, that’s for sure, ofc. But not everyone that eats meat supports that shit.

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          The plants communicate for survival because of natural selection, not because they are avoiding pain