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    Holy shit y’all. Developers need to eat too. It’s totally fine to charge for an app or serve ads. LjDawson is a fantastic developer and really listens to his user base. Yes there are plenty of open source apps to use, but sometimes closed source is way more polished because the developer makes it their job to create the app. Living isn’t free. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    It’s like having Reddit back, this is amazing. 🙏

    For as long as I can remember Reddit and Sync have been one and the same. I never used Reddit website or app, only ever used Sync to browse Reddit hosted content. I used it a lot. I’ve missed it a lot.

    Between the Lemmy platform and Sync client, to all intents and purposes what Reddit was has been fully restored/migrated.

    I know it’s early days, but I did not expect to see anything like this so soon and it gives me hope that Lemmy can grow and thrive into the network of people that always made Reddit what it was. Everything that’s needed is there - early, a little rough around the edges, but there. And being improved constantly.

    Hallelujah!

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      Can someone please explain a bit what is included as part of a “unique identifier”… does it mean the app sends Google what communities you’re visiting or content you’re consuming, so they can advertise to you personally?

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        Unique device identifier would be some information unique to your device that can identify it. A common example of such a unique Id would be your IMEI although that isn’t necessarily what they are using. Minecraft as an example creates a unique user ID based on your account that system administrators can use to keep your player records even after you change your Microsoft account name or gamer tag.

        It doesn’t have to be specific data related to your activities in the app per se, but it could potentially be used in that manner depending on the app.

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        This is present in all apps in the playstore for serving ads. If you are running away from it you have to run from the entire internet. You want to live a life like the people in privacy sub reddit with that tin foil hat. For the developer to serve ads this is necessary.

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              I think there’s some nuance there too. I’m not keen on the idea of my facebook messages, or google chats, or private emails, things like that going into other peoples hands (regardless of how much I can do to stop it), but purely ad-based stuff doesn’t bother me. I’m gonna be seeing ads for something, and whether or not they’re things google or amazon think I might want doesn’t really change the equation for me.

              However, I do hold it to be true people should be in control of that if they want to. I feel like the choice is important.

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            Then sell all your shit and live without any device connected to the internet. If you believe a trillion dollar company can’t track what you like then I’ve got bad news for you.

            Oh wait, even if you sell your shit, they just need to know who your friends are and they can create a profile of you… Woops! 🤷

            What’s funny is that you’re trusting a bunch of random Lemmy hosts right now, but not companies that can be identified and that you can tell which laws apply to them.

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      I entirely agree. This is breaking the unspoken rules of Lemmy for me.

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    Storing data usage, personal ads, 21.99€ just to remove ads or a subscription model.

    I’m a dev myself and I get that everyone needs to be compensated, but right now I have only one thought:

    “You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.”

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    ITT, bunch of people who have never used Sync for Reddit whining about Sync Ultra and the app having ads. 🤦🏻‍♂️

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      The ads through me for a sec, but then I realized this wasn’t the Dev or Pro version.

      I’ll end up subscribing at some point, but I do wish there was a one time option like last time. Not really interested in the cloud backups and all that, just the ad free experience.

      Edit: Spoke too soon. Looks like there wil be a one time option at some point in addition to a version with no ads. Looking forward to it.

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      I used sync for reddit for a decade. No way in hell I’m paying $20 for the ad-free upgrade. Explain how lemmy which is months old and a minute fraction of the size of reddit, should cost me more to browse ad-free than reddit? It’s mind boggling that we’re in the age where asking $20 for a 3rd party social media app is being defended as reasonable.

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      It’s not about the app. It has nothing to do with the app itself to be fair. It’s the fact to have ads. Ads aren’t the spirit and the philosophy of Lemmy.

      People are fine to pay for the app. Money isn’t the issue either. The dev should not assume Lemmy is a new Reddit. It’s different with different spirit and philosophy. This point has to be taken in consideration.

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        That’s the beauty of have a multitude of different apps. You choose the one that feels right for you. Much like how you can choose another Lemmy instance.

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          Yes, sure, you can choose whatever you want. It doesn’t make my opinion wrong. It’s not in the philosophy of the fediverse. People can use it with an ads tracked app of they want. I respect it.

          It’s a hard no for me and I will express it. It could be a hard yes if they will be a one time payment version without free ads base one.

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            The dev said there already will be. I hope you’ll support a hard working, singular dev who puts a lot of work into an app and engages with its users like LJD.

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            an opinion cannot be wrong. but it also cannot be right. you make a fair point with what you’re saying. the dev is already planning on a single time purchase, but a sub option is definitely not “morally wrong.”

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            I don’t think your opinion is wrong. It’s an opinion, and that’s fine.

            As a developer myself, I do understand that the dev wants to be compensated for all the hours he puts in, but I am also aware that we’re all using software everyday in many different ways that are made in the free time of many people, without any compensation. Both are valid.

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        You can choose whatever app fits you. That is the power of choice. Some of us are really ok with non intrusive ads or paying for the app. He said that one time payment for removing ads will come soon.

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        Ads aren’t the spirit and the philosophy of Lemmy

        Says who? I’m just curious who decides what Lemmy’s philosophy is. Does that philosophy extend across all instances or only specific ones? Or is it baked into the source code somehow?

        Personally I think ads are alright. But that’s just my philosophy.

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    Ads or subscription.

    Yeah, I’ll stick with Thunder. Having used Lemmy and Mastodon, I realised how much I hate ads.

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      Yup that is a real rough pill to swallow when the default is free AND no ads. If I’m going to drop money on lemmy I’d rather just donate to whoever is hosting my instance.

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        I hear what you (and everyone else) is saying, but the developer needs to make money somehow or they’ll have to go get a regular job, and then who will develop?

        I think what I’m saying is, how else is the Dev meant to feed his face?

        I miss the days when I could just drop a couple of dollars on the paid version, stops the ads and works forever, subscriptions turn me off.

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          He can release it as a one time payment without free version.

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            Look at how people are reacting to paying for a subscription. If he had no free version people would NOT try it.

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              And, I’m not the dev of it. He needs to convince the people. Here, he has multiple possibilities that he can explore before finding how to attract users.

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            I tried multiple Reddit apps before I settled on Sync. I went through a phase of trying a different one every week. They were all free versions with a paid version. I paid for the ones I liked.

            That’s all I wanna do, buy it once, no subscription.

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              It wasn’t the case of Sync at the beginning. It was just a paid version. The free ad based version came later.

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        Maybe, the dev should have wait until he can release it as a one time payment without free version. You want Sync, you pay. Nobody will be against it.

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        It’s the only Lemmy app that has an actual working and usable tablet mode. Thunder’s tablet mode is… weird. Everybody else doesn’t have a tablet mode. Unfortunately, leading with a subscription model is terrible. Even if they’re already planning a one time payment option (which they should launched with), it’s already left a sour taste. I left big software that was essential for work because of the subscription model (Adobe, Autodesk) and found alternatives. Sync isn’t even essential and there are multiple alternatives. Maybe not that pretty, but they’re decent enough. I hope Boost does better.

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          Sync launched in beta. While it’s unfortunate that a great majority off people seeing the posts aren’t aware of that, and think it’s a full launch.

          The dev opened it up as beta, so more then 100 people could help test it out.

          A pero versión is coming before the full release.

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            There’s absolutely no reason for beta software to not be able to launch with a one time payment option. A lot of companies do this. Just look at all the early access games from steam. This is not a valid excuse in my opinion.

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              He has only worked on it for 6 weeks since the heat of the reddit drama, probably just figured that’s a thing he can wait a little longer for but some people were very antsy to get back on sync

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                He added the one time remove ads feature just now proving that he could have added this at the start just as easily. Your argument again is not a valid excuse.

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        Things loading slowly are due to the instance themselves. The app itself is lightning fast.

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          I second this 100% the app also displays nicely on a tablet compared to others. I’m shocked to see this dev ask 100$ plus for a lifetime for an app as good as it is. I understand he needs to make money but I think he took it two digits two far. I’m glad it’s a single developper getting that money though instead of a corperation.

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      That was the case with the original Sync, no surprise here.

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        Although there was the option to purchase Pro as a one-time fee. This one unfortunately only has a subscription option (which I’m not too keen on).

        Edit: ljdawson has confirmed there will be an one-time payment options for both Ultra and ad removal!

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            Same… I rarely buy apps. I’m definitely not subscribing to something.

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              I am in the same boat. Bought RIF years ago and there are a couple of other apps I got as a one time purchase but subscriptions mostly make me delete an app immediately. Stuff like Spotify or Netflix are exceptions of course but those apps are just the gateway to a paid service. Sync doesn’t have to pay money on an ongoing basis to Lemmy. It’s straight up a purchase to the developer for an app.

              Not too concerned though, I use Voyager at the moment and it’s just such a great way to browse Lemmy, I have no problem sticking with it!

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            Technically, they could be fair but they’re just always extremely overpriced. If you buy an app for $5 and use it for 5 years, it comes out at 8 cents a month. You’ll never find an app subscription that costs you 8 cents a month, but that would be a fair deal.

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          It’ll probably have a one time fee option. The dev must know that not everyone will want to pay a subscription. I paid for removing ads on Sync for Reddit and I’ll happily do it again, so hopefully there will be an option of just removing ads. I don’t use either Lemmy or Reddit enough to justify paying a subscription, even though I really respect the dev.

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          While I’ve never used this app, it seems like there are so many good quality free/open source Lemmy apps now that an app with ads and subscriptions doesn’t really make sense.

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      I’m fine with an ad version and then an upgrade to an ad-free version.

      What’s insane here is this developer making a subscription service instead of an ad-free pro version

      I mean, he’s competing against TOTALLY FREE, Ad-free lemmy apps RIGHT NOW, and every 3rd-party Reddit app developer is working on a lemmy version as we speak.

      This was a total clown move. I was ready to drop like $10 on a pro version right now, if it had great UI. But a subscription … For access to a FREE service? The balls on this guy.

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        Lemmy is not a free service. You might not be paying for it but some of us are. With subscriptions too. Subscriptions are the better funding model for continued development and operation.

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          Lemmy instances are not a free service. Yet don’t have ads and instead rely on donations or are self funded. And then this app comes out with a subscription model to remove ads despite instances doing the heavy lifting of this space that has been contrary to the usual monetization model?

          I’m not sure this type of defense you make really applies in this situation. If it was a reddit app sure, but in the space of the fediverse it stands out as rather unusual.

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            I’m not defending anything. Simply pointing out that Lemmy isn’t a free service even if it looks that way for some (or many).

            I’m not sure who does the heavy lifting btw. It’s not easy to decipher whether running an instance or developing the cloud components or the mobile components is easier. Also the funding is a bit wonky at the moment. The core Lemmy development is woefully underfunded compared to some of the large instances. It’s likely to get better eventually but so far I’ve noticed that core development funding barely budged for the last month or two. Instances are vitally dependent on the core project.

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              People are understandably reluctant to donate to the core Lemmy devs, but donating to an instance is a lot more reasonable to many folks so that’s why it’s unfolding that way.

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              Yes, lemmy isn’t a free service So the argument to defend lemmy and give them money makes more sense when it comes to instances than it does for an app that shows up with a subscription model to remove ads.

              The subscription from sync is not one run directly by the lemmy instance that is not charging api calls, not showing ads to users, and not paywalling users yet taking on so much expense. Which is why I’m not really sure what role sync plays here from your comments, since sync app and the costs of hosting a lemmy instance seem like entirely different matters.

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          Most of us understand fully the “why” of a subscription model, however, this is not the place, not on a free service.

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                Literally what I said - Lemmy is not a free service. Free as in free beer. Most of Lemmy is a service that costs real money to real users. Maybe not to all of them. Maybe it doesn’t cost you in particular anything, but it costs another user on the instance money. They’re just happy to pay for you. There’s a ♥️ button up top in the web interface. There’s likely another link in the sidebar. If you follow them to the respective payment service, you can see how much it costs and sometimes who’s paying for it, if they chose to not pay anonymously.

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                  I believe in paying for the things I use - unless there’s no practical way for me to pay. See below - because if I don’t pay, whoever supplies the service I use is either an idealist and I’m a freeloader, or they’re milking my private data for money.

                  That’s why the Fediverse instances I use are hosted on SDF and I pay SDF for the privilege.

                  There are also cases where I would like to pay for the service but I can’t. For instance, Youtube: I would gladly pay for Youtube. I literally consume hundreds of gigabytes worth of video every month. $10 for that is very cheap.

                  But I can’t because paying Youtube means having a Youtube account, and there’s no way in hell I’m opening any account with Google and help them track me and monetize the shit out of my viewing habits even more than they do. So I don’t.

                  I wish I could, but Google is so invasive that it’s a better option to freeload off of them than pay them the money they legitimately deserve.

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        On sync for reddit there always was a one time purchase to remove ads. The subscription is for extra features which you honestly don’t need. I believe the one time purchase is coming back on this version as well.

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          Should update that subscription page in the app with the disclaimer. ‘App is in beta and there will be a one time payment option to remove ads once it gets out of beta’. Since right now the subscription only model to remove ads is leading to bad impressions that is drawing attention away from the actual app.

          Especially on Android where not a lot of people encounter subscription models, and this is the first of its kind I’ve encountered on Android.

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        It’s just evidence it’s a gold rush.

        I wasn’t expecting an ideologically motivated project by any means, but his focus is on the diminishing parade of users he’s got from the previous app and not where he’s sending them.

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          I got kinda disappointed when I noticed that the author almost doesn’t visit Lemmy and everything is coordinated on Discord instead of the, you know, forum-thingy which you make an app for.

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      I was wondering what was up with the ads consent things. The reason I switched to Sync in the first place was to get rid of ads on Reddit…

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      it’s already there. ‘remove ads’ button. steep given you can get Microsoft Office for that price if you look hard enough but I will probably get it.

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    Lol! The choice is ads or a SUBSCRIPTION!?

    My friend, we know other 3rd party Reddit app developers are working as fast as they can to make lemmy apps. One of them is bound to have a one-time pro version upgrade. I’ll hold out for that.

    LMAO … Subscriptions. Why on earth do you think we left Reddit?!

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      I left Reddit because Spez is an asshole and he killed third-party API access (which, btw, impacted more than just clients - many useful bots/scripts died too as a result of this change).

      For many of us, Sync was Reddit, and killing Sync basically killed Reddit for us, but now that Sync is back (for Lemmy), many of us are more than happy to pay a subscription to support the dev, instead of supporting Reddit. ljdawson is an awesome developer who actually listens to his users and updates his apps regularly. If you don’t want to support him and/or use a different app, that’s your call of course, but for fans of Sync, it’s like coming back home after a long time and getting that feeling of “there’s no place like home”.

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        It’s certainly a nice app, but I’ve also grown attached to Connect over these last few weeks. I even donated to the dev, which is something my stingy ass never does.

        While I loved Sync, I’m not paying $20/yr for any social media. If I recall, Sync Pro for Reddit was something like $5-6 lifetime. I’d pay that again without blinking an eye.

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            If you use private dns if on android then no ads in sync. I just saw this post and noticed there were no ads in my sync app. Then I remembered that I am using private dns for blocking ads. I might switch it on for supporting the dev. Because non intrusive ads are fine for a great lemmy experience. Now I am having the same experience of sync when I use reddit.

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              I don’t see ad because I have it blocked system wide on the phone, but I’ve moved towards not keeping apps that show ads installed anymore. Have moved onto either foss or paid versions.

              And subscription only model to remove ads is definitely not something I want to support, and the first of its kind I’ve encountered on Android outside of Apple.

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        I was on Reddit for 13 years, and bought the pro version every app ever made for the platform (sync, RiF, bacon reader, boost, Apollo, Joey, etc, etc.). Sync was … fine. But in no way was it a stand out. RiF had them all beat by a mile for nearly a decade, then Joey elbowed them out in the last few years.

        Anyway, I’d have been happy to buy sync Pro for lemmy, but a subscription is bonkers when there are free alternatives.

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          Dev has to somehow pay their bills. And for continuous support they need some kind of reward for their time and effort. Eventually other apps will be moved to subscription or they will just stop updating. These apps will still run because of ad support or subscription. Ads are actually non intrusive.

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            If you think ads are non intrusive we have different definitions.

            If any selection of the free content network I’m a part of isn’t showing me the content I want it’s an intrusion.

            There are umpteen services that run on donations, telling yourself ads are necessary is the same deal with the devil as the public Internet.

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              Dude. There are different types of ads. Small ad banners which don’t affect normal posts is not an issue for me. I am getting a good experience so this is the way I am going to pay for it.

              There are umpteen services that run on donations

              A lot of them when the user base has grown, wasn’t sustainable and also got closed down and moved to subscription.

              If any selection of the free content network I’m a part of isn’t showing me the content I want it’s an intrusion.

              You can pay for subscription or use another app. It’s fine. Other devolopers who don’t charge a single bit now will change it in the future. Who is mad to support an app without getting any kind of benefit. There are some open-source developers who do that. Still.

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                I’m here on the fediverse because ads are poison.

                Knowing my neighbors are swigging more of that shit doesn’t make me feel any better.

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            When I accidentally tapped on the first ad and it automatically opened a shopping app I had on to a product I have no care for. Personally for me, the ads ARE intrusive. I instantly uninstalled after that.

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        The issue people have with Sync is the model going against the philosophy of Lemmy and the fediverse.

        People aren’t mad at paying for the app if it was a one time payment.

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        who actually listens to his users

        Support of non-Google-Play version is where? I personally asked about it multiple times and I’ve seen many other people ask as well.

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      there will be a separate in app purchase structure

      the ultra subscription was a separate sub model from sync for reddit that was on the side to help support the 1 developer who works on the app if you want to. the model was already there and nothing has changed from reddit, so it was probably easy to leave the code in with the same features and keep it in.

      you also need to realize this is a beta as well so it’s not “officially” released yet. if sync for reddit is anything to go by, once LJ is content on the app it will be released in full, with additional pro / dev variants to come. but since those are considered separate apps, those won’t come until later since they need to be reviewed and put on the app store… which makes sense there’s only 1 variant at this time

      edit: pro model won’t happen due to Google play store policies on duplicate apps. one time in app purchase is coming

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        Sounds like pro will not be a separate app and will only be unlocked with an in-app purchase due to Google Play policies around ‘duplicate’ apps.

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      Chill, mate, it’s open-beta. Sync Ultra was a thing on Sync for Reddit as well, which comes with features that need constant cash such as server maintenance etc. IAP for ad removal will come soon.

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      I left reddit because of asshole decisions. I think 18 Euro per year is pretty fair for an app you probably use every day. I prefer one time payment over subscription, too. But the price for sync is nothing to rant about imo.

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      I’m not addicted to any social media enough to pay for a subscription. And I’m sick of subscriptions in general. I’m fine with liftoff.

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      I disagree. I think there’s a lot of people living in a fantasy. Things cost money. You can’t rely on good will to pay for developers, engineers, and hardware.

      Maybe ads aren’t the way to go but you’re not being realistic if you want this place to grow without some kind of funding.

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      Voyager is the way to go. It doesn’t even feel like it’s “just” a WebApp.

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        I respect your opinion. For me it was super clunky. I tried every app for lemmy. The best one is sync for now. If there is a proper competition it will be boost for lemmy.

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          I’m back after testing Sync for a few minutes and… You’re absolutely right and I think Sync is winning me over!

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        None of the other lemmy apps I’ve used have quite felt right, though I think voyager was the best of the ones I tried in terms of ease of use. I really liked sync for reddit, so I’m hoping I’ll like the lemmy version too. I generally try to avoid subscriptions, but if I like the app and they offer a one time payment to be ad free at some point then I’m fine with that. Tbh so far I haven’t actually seen any ads though so if they’re not obtrusive then they won’t bother me. Devs gotta put food on the table somehow.

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    Yes it contains ads. I’d rather have a single purchase.

    But, DNS adblocking does remove the ads, just leave a grey box. It’s also definitely far more polished than any of the other Lemmy apps right now.

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      Oh I thought it wasn’t implemented. I forgot I have dns ad blocking :) :)

      But this app is worth paying for if you like it. It’s also very cheap, something like 3 dollars or less per month.

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        Haha yes me too. I thought “hmm guess he hasn’t quite implemented that yet” but of course I have DNS AdBlock. Nice to know that works (:

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        It’s $1.99/month or $16.99/yr, which is waaayyy less than $3/month. Less than half that, if paid annually.

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        I personally just don’t believe in subscriptions for apps. I’d rather just pay a fair amount up front. Especially since my usage patterns aren’t consistent (I may not use something for a good while but return to it later). Perpetual licenses are why I own such a large library of paid apps and why I’m okay with paying even if I might not really maximize my use of it today. It’s also why my Steam library is filled with games I don’t play… 😅.

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      I don’t even have any grey boxes either. Where does the ad appear in the app?

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          I don’t know why. I don’t have anything like that. 😅 I had been using sync pro for reddit. I have a similar look here. I am running adguard dns private dns for adblock. But it never removed the ad spaces in any app.

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          Yeah I don’t even see ad spaces. I don’t think it is because of dns adguard. It never removed ad spaces. Just the ads. But right now I am having a clean experience with no ads or stuff.