• trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 months ago

    This you?

    so, you’re assuming that because of their race and economic status (which you are also assuming, btw), that makes them forced labor. how is that not classist?

    You must have very short-term memory. Sorry if that’s the case. I’m sure it was a totally genuine, good-faith question.

    as i said from the start, i oppose child labor (in fact, any forced labor)-- and i find it pretty disgusting that some here are so blinded by their hatred of meat that they would overlook it in order to push their own agenda. and since you, too, would conflate the two - as if veganism would somehow magically eliminate child labor/exploitation - and are attacking me for pointing that out is preposterous.

    If you opposed child labor, you should want the animal ag industry abolished. Veganism has not once been brought up by me. However, since you invoked it: yeah, actually, taking a holistic approach to addressing exploitation, including animal exploitation, would, in fact, lead to a reduction in child exploitation. The underlying thinking that enables one to think of other sentient beings as resources to be exploited, for their labor, for their bodies, their lactations, etc., is all the same. The fact is that if you banned animal ag, you would significantly reduce total child labor violations.

    Any yeah, whinging about people correctly pointing out the reality that animal exploitation begets more child exploitation is an implicit defense of animal exploitation. Sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    But seeing your other comments about how people in lower socio-economic strata choose some of the most grueling and exploitative labor conditions because they can just quit lul makes it pretty apparent that you aren’t really equipped to have any discussion about addressing exploitation in any form.

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      2 months ago

      The fact is that if you banned animal ag, you would significantly reduce total child labor violations.

      how can you prove this?

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        2 months ago

        How precisely can the slaughter and harvest of meat exist in humane ways?

        When and where do vegans place the well being of farm animals above people?

        How can you find it reasonable to assert that an industry that famously relied on coerced/forced labor over a century ago and has preyed upon the workers most in need of dangerous, traumatizing work ever since has no causal link to its inputs and outputs which are the bodies of living creatures?

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            2 months ago

            I replied to your courteous response with courtesy in kind, asking genuine questions to understand your ideas and hopefully eventually understand your position.

            You’re not under attack or being trolled. I hope you have a great day!

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        2 months ago

        you’ve assumed i agree with your position that eating meat = animal exploitation,

        this is a bare fact. like drinking water is often exploited from a well. exploitation is not bad in itself.

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            2 months ago

            you should check a dictionary. farmers exploit their fields, oil companies exploit wells. don’t take my word for it

            and the other people in my inbox certainly don’t think I’m vegan. why do you?