I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

  • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
    361·
    3 months ago

    I really hate that I need to point this out, because I feel like it will derail the discussion from Hexbear to fascism:

    “Antifa” boils down to “people who actively oppose fascism”, instead of either supporting it or sitting on their hands while doing jack shit.

      • amber (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
        111·
        3 months ago

        I highly recommend you give Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism and On Authority a read. At least On Authority, as it’s a very short piece, but the two combined should give you a basic understanding of the historical and theoretical basis of why marxists defend the use of authority. I can understand where you are coming from, I was more than a little skeptical of authoritarianism when I was younger and still identified as an anarchist, but I think if you take the time to honestly engage with our position then you will at least understand why our stance is what it is, and how we are diametrically opposed to fascism, even if you don’t agree with us.

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        127·
        3 months ago

        Plenty HB users are authoritarian. I disagree with them in this; however I don’t think that both things cancel out, given the fascism is orders of magnitude worse than authoritarianism alone.

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
            166·
            3 months ago

            Yeah, because saying “cat shit is not as huge as elephant shit” is the same as saying “cat shit is not shit”. /s

            • Allero@lemmy.today
              0·
              3 months ago

              Liberalism in the center? Gosh, this is the most American political coordinates there could be

              It’s almost physically triggering how off-base that is

                • Allero@lemmy.today
                  0·
                  3 months ago

                  The point is that it skews the understanding of “left” and “right” to favor the latter.

                  Essentially serving as a tool to claim socialist policies extreme and liberal ones perfectly balanced.

                  • Hydra_Fk@reddthat.comEnglish
                    0·
                    3 months ago

                    Sounds like your just slurring his opinion without trying to be civil and engaging with honest logical discussion.

    • marcos@lemmy.world
      316·
      3 months ago

      Is there something in the name requiring people to support fascism if it wears the right color?

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        162·
        3 months ago

        Is there something in the name requiring people to support fascism if it wears the right color?

        Do some people fighting fascism (aka antifa) go overboard? Yes, certainly; that’s bound to happen with any movement, group, or cohort.

        For example, someone might miss the target due to witch hunting, or adopt an “ends always justify means” mindset, or even conflate “non-suporter = enemy”.

        However. By implying that “antifa is fascism wearing a different colour”, like you are doing, you’re showing to not understand the obvious difference between

        • individuals following an ideology grounded on xenophobia, nationalism, racism, militarism, censorship, suppression of your individuality by force, more often than not sexism, homophobia and transphobia; and
        • individuals who don’t want the shit above to transform their lives into living hells, including some willing to use force to fight back.

        This conflation between both groups is not just immoral. It’s worse - it stinks stupidity and similar filth from a distance. As such I’m not wasting my time further with you, go chew some grass.