• FarFarAway@startrek.website
      4·
      2 years ago

      This. No one realizes that your probably not gonna make it to 100 in perfect health. If your body doesn’t go, it will be your mind. Either way, it does not sound appealing.

      If nothing else, the arthritis has gotten so bad, you wanna off yourself anyways.

      Hard pass.

      • Urbanfox@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 years ago

        I’m 37 and already broken.

        My back is killing me, the sciatica makes sitting down hard. My ankle is fucked from too many injuries doing shit like tough mudder because when you’re young you’re invincible. Top that off with an immune disorder and asthma and it’ll be a miracle if I make it to 50 with a good quality of life.

      • Ser Salty@feddit.de
        0·
        2 years ago

        I don’t wanna get to the point where it seems miserable just to, like, walk or something. I don’t mind taking heart medication, walking with a cane, stuff like that, but I don’t wanna live in near constant agony just trying to get through the day.

      • lasagna@programming.devEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        Rather than losing my loved ones, I think I’d be more scared of losing my love for them. Either via a cold heart or dementia.

        • WarmSoda@lemm.ee
          0·
          2 years ago

          Dementia scares me too. I’ve seen it with two people now. It’s like they’re living in dreams all the time. Turn a corner or something changes and it’s a whole different scenario and you don’t know what’s going on.

          I get night terrors. Some dreams seriously feel like they last for days and it’s next to impossible to wake up. Living like that 24/7 at the end of my life sounds horrifying.

  • howsetheraven@sh.itjust.works
    4·
    2 years ago

    My entire life I heard 40 is middle aged because life expectancy is somewhere around 80. 40 is when the mid-life crisis starts happening as well.

  • SwingingTheLampEnglish
    2·
    2 years ago

    I like the energy, but this is still a dumb take, even if it’s common. Where TF did the idea that middle= midpoint come from? So does “middle age” last just an instant?

    We have young, and elderly, so what do we call the span in the middle when you’re neither of those?

    • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      We should be building a society where the concept of retiring is alien because the entire point of living isn’t to work.

      • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        because the entire point of living isn’t to work.

        But the point of living is simply to survive and procreate. There’s no innate requirement of “living” to be not working… we worked hard for thousands of years just killing things to eat.

        • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          2 years ago

          It is. We are chasing an egregore all the while destroying our planet. We need a mentality change, one that realizes we never removed ourselves from the same rat race for survival the rest of the life on this planet is in. We act like we are above our ecosystems, we are not. If our main focus was something else besides money, we might make it. But if we are only chasing the dragon, we will follow it to our deaths.

        • Kage520@lemmy.world
          0·
          2 years ago

          Do you mean this as in robots cannot do it all? Because I’m pretty sure they soon will be able to. Or do you mean it in that humans need challenges to make their lives feel complete? Because I would agree with that.

            • Kage520@lemmy.world
              0·
              2 years ago

              For awhile they will. But still, that would mean one engineer could handle several restaurants, for example. We won’t have nearly enough jobs for all the people, unless we invent some busy work. Maybe that’s what pumping gas jobs in certain states always has been though 🤔.

        • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          2 years ago

          I didn’t say nobody would have to work. I said that working shouldn’t be the point of life. This mentality that we are all stuck in should not be the defacto modus operandi of our society. What is the purpose of all of this if not to set us free from the mundane? What is the point of any of this if it is not to square the circle? Might as well have never climbed down from the trees if we are not reaching for infinity.

            • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              0·
              2 years ago

              No shit, but at one point we are gonna have to stop extorting each other to work. At some point our society is going to have to actually care for us. So we can stop producing people who seek money and start producing people who advance our species.

        • Deca@lemmy.world
          0·
          2 years ago

          Pretty good. My mum’s living in Shanghai (most populous city in China) and has been a pensioner for 20 years. It’s enough money to get by and now that she’s 70 she also receives monthly coupons for her neighbourhood canteen (although food is already very cheap)

        • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
          0·
          2 years ago

          Unsustainable??? Have you seen how many people there is in China? They could probably retire at 30 and still have enough people to fill in the jobs.

          • LaurelRerun@lemmy.ml
            0·
            2 years ago

            China has a bad ratio of young people to old people. They have a lot of people, but as the population ages there will be fewer working people supporting more retired people. It’s not just about money either. There are a finite number of nurses or caretakers in a country at any given time, so it will mean higher ratio of people needing care to those able to give it. It’s a complex issue that almost every country is going to be dealing with more in the future, but China will probably feel it more than average.

            • Deca@lemmy.world
              0·
              2 years ago

              Keep in mind China has a much tighter family structure where children look after their elderly parents (and often live under the same roof), and in return grandparents provide free childcare so both parents are able to work full time. Nursing homes are not incredibly common but it might become a bigger problem as more and more young people move away from their family in the countryside to work in the bigger cities.

    • blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social
      0·
      2 years ago

      You can retire at any age you want lol. Most people didn’t live in their means nor did they save for retirement starting at 18/22. This was possible 30 years ago. These days? Not so much.

      It doesn’t mean you can’t leverage it way better than most though. Starting a Roth IRA saves more money than even paying off your house loan in half the time. That’s saving an extra $70,000 for most. Putting into retirement early triples that lol.

      Compound interest via stock/bonds is a bullshit money generating hack made up by rich people to get richer though. The poors literally get their dregs from riding on their coattails then acting like they invested well. Nobody wants to admit that you should be able to retire indefinitely by what amounts to hoarding above a certain dollar threshold though lol.

      • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
        0·
        2 years ago

        I just want wages to increase to a point where people with a decent education can afford a home without any major financial stress.

        It’s not normal to have professionals with bachelor’s degrees not being able to afford a home.

    • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
      0·
      2 years ago

      People don’t understand what life expectancy means, specifically because 99% of the time, people are talking about life expectancy at birth. What life expectancy st birth means is that half the babies are going to be dead before X years (in the case of OP picture that mean half are going to die before reaching 73 yo), so yeah, the majority of people is going to be 50 yo at some point of their life.

  • Obinice@lemmy.world
    1·
    2 years ago

    I’ve never heard anybody suggest that 50 is middle aged, usually it’s traditionally been 30, or nowadays with life expectancies being higher, 36 is spot on.

    Anyway, we’re all going to work until we’re dead, to keep the rich ruling class fed. There’s no escape.

  • RBWells@lemmy.world
    1·
    2 years ago

    According to my kids:

    0-30 is young.

    31-60 is middle aged.

    61-90 is old.

    Over 90 is fucking old.

    • nxfsi@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 years ago

      How fucking old are your kids for them to say that? Real kids would definitely say that 25 is approaching retirement age.

      • keyez@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        Same, even when I was in Jr High I thought people about to graduate college were old and may well be middle aged compared to me.

      • RBWells@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        Youngest is 17, oldest is 31. But it was the younger ones when they were around 10 - I think they were just mathematically calculating the middle third. I’m almost in their “old” category now and think that because (fit) people are aging more slowly than past generations middle age is stretching out, if you are defining it as able bodied and working. That stretches it to like 75 for some people. I don’t think over 30 is “young” though, so if there are only 3 categories it’s middle aged, and no way is 75 not old, if you are fit, healthy, and working at that age you are a fit old person.

        And who can’t rock a bikini at 30? WTF, where do you live?

        • ZzyzxRoad@lemm.ee
          0·
          2 years ago

          And who can’t rock a bikini at 30? WTF, where do you live?

          Yeah, wtf are these comments saying “many people have been nursing back problems for years by their 30th birthday” lmfao. Like what world do they live in? Realistically though, they’re probably 12 and think 30 is ancient.

          • Touching_Grass@lemmy.world
            0·
            2 years ago

            Different generation. My dads generation had 8 kids and more banned chemicals plus decades of being hit by cars and falling out of trucks.

    • BeefaloEnglish
      0·
      2 years ago

      The whole point of calling somebody “middle-aged” is that they’re in that indeterminate space where they definitely aren’t young anymore, but they aren’t like, old, old, yet, basically they’re still able-bodied enough to hold down a job.

      Not one. Not the other. Somewhere in the middle. Middle-aged.

      30 isn’t so old, but it depends hard on the person in question, some are still in great shape, but many 30-year-olds have been nursing a back problem and/or jacked knees for years by the time the birthday comes, they sure as hell don’t feel young. Some 30s haven’t had kids yet, some of them have kids in middle school. So that averages out, and we onboard you to this shitty party at 30. If you can still rock the swimwear at 30, do it, and don’t take it for granted.

      For the record, we don’t care what children think old is. Children are insane.

  • MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world
    1·
    2 years ago

    I’ve removed myself as much as possible from the economic system. I am trapped, but I’m having fun trying to wake up. ⏰️ Maybe when I can’t move much, which will be soon, I’ll have to roll into a ditch or something 🤷

  • vsis@feddit.clEnglish
    21·
    2 years ago

    middle aged would be around 36.

    I didn’t come here to be insulted.

  • callyral@kbin.social
    0·
    2 years ago

    Since when do people think 50 is middle-aged? To me it’s always been 30-something years old

    • alvvayson@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Same here. For me, 40 is middle aged, since 80 is the normal age to die. Sure, some die earlier and others later, but once you reach 20 (i.e. discounting the premature deaths), the average woman reaches 81 and the average male 78 or so.

    • TheDubz87@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Apparently getting pregnant at 35 is considered a geriatric pregnancy, so that’s what I’ve always considered mid life.