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    5 months ago

    The pagers were used by Hezbollah, not Hamas.

    I realize that, I was drawing a parallel between the two circumstances.

    And again - when you drop a bomb, you can credibly have made an attempt to ensure no one is in the vicinity who you don’t intend to bomb. (Not that israel seems to do this) - this is especially true with modern technology.

    You cannot reasonably predict the path that a pager takes once it is shipped, no matter who it is intended for, not least because no one expects a pager to be the source of a deadly threat. You control who owns that “bomb” you have just sent into the world only until the moment it is unpacked and given to the first person who takes possession of it.

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        5 months ago

        You can, of course, think differently.

        And I do. It’s been one argument the entire time, and I don’t see how it’s worth reframing the parallel when you seem not to (or have chosen not to) understand it the first two times.

        Good day.

        Edite: I see I typed Hamas when I meant to type Hezbollah in one place. Will correct now. I admit that was potentially confusing.

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            “you seem not to (or have chosen not to) understand [the parallel?] the first two times

            When I typed that I hadn’t spotted my own typo yet. Sorry.

            If that’s the case, you’re making it so easy for me other people might think we’re in cahoots

            I don’t care in the least if anyone thinks I’m in cahoots with anyone; it won’t change that I’m in cahoots with no one.

            You can, of course, think differently.

            Typo notwithstanding, it remains true that I do think differently, and if your argument boils down to what has actually been banned vs an understanding of how absolutely heartless and tragic it is to deploy a bunch of explosive pagers that will randomly move around a populated area because you want to kill a limited set of bad guys in that area, there is nothing left for us to discuss.

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                4 months ago

                I did, it’s been in every comment of mine and in the rest of the sentence after the bit you cherrypicked.

                I’m left with the conclusion what Israel did falls within the bounds of a legitimate military operation.

                Once we hit this point, further discussion was likely pointless anyhow. Please let’s end this discussion here. Thank you!

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                    It was in a batch specifically meant for Hezbollah operatives.

                    Yes, I understand that. And those Hezbollah operatives can lose their pagers, have them stolen, or they themselves can move randomly through populated areas with the hidden bomb strapped to their hip. You don’t think any of these “operatives” do anything but sit all day in a cartoon-style bad guy lair surrounded by other bad guys? They never go to buy groceries, or stop at a hospital or school, or have their devices stolen or lost in some random location? As I have said repeatedly, these devices were deployed in a manner that has absolutely no mechanism by which to control where they actually are and who else is in proximity to them when detonated.

                    Either we are just incapable of communicating effectively with each other, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

                    Again I say good day to you.