Of course, that’s to be expected, with people migrating from Reddit and all, but the title is kind of badly worded.
Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)
Live laugh love Lemmy though :)
You take any topic, with passionate fans and they’ll defend it. A lot of it probably from the backlash was the first thing they saw.
I’ll keep it real, I paid for Sync because of the decade history with that app and plan on doing the same (a post linked a way to do it) with the instance I’m in. I see me being on Lemmy a lot and looking forward to keeping the positive vibes going.
See but at least some of that is going to make it back to an instance host and help keep servers going, and I think that’s the biggest gripe myself and a lot of people have with the sync iaps and advertising
Why do you think it’s an either/or? It isn’t at all.
Besides, sync was always monetized, and everyone that was asking/begging Dawson to migrate the app knew that. The only people surprised are people that didn’t use it to begin with, and aren’t going to use it now.
Were you not a reddit user, or a third party app user? Like, most of the reddit apps were Monetized in some way. Apollo, the app that was the tipping point for the reddit rage was heavily monetized, and people were begging Christian to port it over.
The whole thing is crazy. If a given person wants to use it and pay for it, that’s their business. Dawson did nothing bad by porting the app, or monetizing it from the beginning. How many great apps have fucked up by not monetizing from the beginning? Look at pushbullet and how it started so great, but then had to backpeddle and increase monetizing, only to alienate users because it was a change.
I’m sorry you don’t like capitalism, and I’m sorry we’re stuck inside it too. But an app like this is a pretty time intensive thing. You either kill your spare time working on it as a hobby, or you monetize so you can avoid how much time it sucks from you by not having to work on other things.
Besides, sync was always monetized, and everyone that was asking/begging Dawson to migrate the app knew that. The only people surprised are people that didn’t use it to begin with, and aren’t going to use it now.
I’m an iPhone user so never had Sync, but even I’m confused about how upset people are. It’s like they’re trying to be offended on behalf of Sync users? Like…Sync users aren’t forced to use it and aren’t forced to pay for it. They choose to because they like the app and appreciate what the dev does. I loved Apollo and while I know Christian isn’t going to make a Lemmy app, if he did I would pay for it/pay for an ad free version because I know he does good work and I like his product.
Por que no los dos?
Homie’s been updating sync for over a decade. He actually asked us what he should do and we told him to make a lemmy app. Sync for Lemmy was trending in play store social media apps at #6 yesterday.
I’m from reddit and I hate the reddit shit as much as you. I was actually looking forward to some interesting conversations. Lemmy’ll grow and part of that growth will be development and part of it will be social norms around federation and these damn kids.
Oh I’m aware why people gripes. Almost all the biggest threads I’ve seen are about it, memes, just and endless wave of it. It’s just a trip to see the Lemmy Patreon with 484 people subscribed to it with this many people on Lemmy.
Where can I find this patreon? I searched around a bit, but I couldn’t find it. Maybe if it had more visibility there would be more patreons.
This was the link that was posted to donate and think you might be right on visibility.
Absolutely zero visibility to this especially if you join on mobile
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It’s intersting that the very first paid app that I can recall for lemmy, kbin, or Mastodon is one that showed up with ad integration. Kind of intersting for platforms that don’t have ads to begin with.
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Just my personal experience, but I do feel like people have been a lot quicker to be snippy and not as nice and welcoming these last two weeks or so compared to a 2 months ago when I first got here.
I think one of the problem is all the influx of apps and webUIs that display “karma” also known as points as a total. Now people are starting to follow some kind of mental herd of saying the right thing to not get downvoted.
As a rule applied to myself, disabling of showing vote numbers is one of the settings I activate.
And make it a point to not look at “points” displayed by the app.
OP in this thread trying to tell me off because I caught a few downvotes like it’s not the most reddit shit in this whole thread.
I also do not display scores. Just toxic, creates echo chambers.
Yeah it also creates fake opinions. People posting shit that agrees to what the majority says just to get a few more up votes. And dissent means being ostracized by being handed a mass down vote
I remember thinking karma was a neat system when I joined Reddit, but it only ended up creating a toxic atmosphere.
I get that a score system might be valuable for posts themselves, but I wish we didn’t have them on individual profiles…
I have noticed an uptick in trolling in the past few weeks, since around the same time as the attacks began. They usually delete if you call them out.
I’ve started using the block button liberally. Specifically on users that seem to be only interested in stirring the pot and not actually interested in having any kind of actual discussion. I also just blocked a weird influx of porn bots linking the strangest domains on !random@kbin.social that were all created yesterday
I rarely blocked people on reddit but the pool is much smaller here so you tend to run into the same troll repeatedly or they spam throughout ansingle thread
Ive taken to just reporting and blocking left and right because i dont have the mental bandwidth to spend on someone who is looking for fights and not legitimate arguments
I’m exactly the same!
Oh my Reddit blocklist was huge. There was a subreddit for my city I was fairly active in but it was just always littered with unabashed racists that I would block all the time, they would get banned, they would make a new account to keep being racist, I would block again.
I felt like local communities were disappointing for the most part, since I’d expect it to be people talking about interesting activities or events happening where they lived. But, majority of the content seemed to be filled with break ins or murder news and complaining about how trash everything is. Occasionally some useful threads about where to find ___ in the city or what services people recommend for ___, but that seemed to be the rate exceptions. So not something you really visited or subscribed to unless I had a specific local question to ask.
I noticed the botspam too. I submitted a report, but I have no idea where it goes. lol Someone else said it was loaded with malware though. I didn’t click on any of it to find out, personally. Better safe than sorry.
I saw on another thread that reports are sent to both your instance’s administrators/moderators and the reported person’s instance administrators/moderators
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I use the mobile web client and it’s just in the 3 dots menu on a comment/post to report and to block. By memory it’s the same on the desktop web client too
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Honestly, yeah. I’ve been pretty disappointed in general, to be honest. Once you take away all the bot-spam, zero-effort memes, and doomerism, there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.
Which is unfortunate, because I love the concept of Lemmy, and I can’t go back to Reddit. I’m still holding out hope, though.
there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.
I mean how many posts/threads do you really need a day? I read 10-15 or so. That’s plenty
In my current subscribed feed, I’m lucky to get 10-15 posts total in a week, and even on All I don’t see nearly 10-15 threads I’m actually interested in in a week.
I realize a large part of this could be that I need to subscribe to more communities, but I haven’t seen any more that I’m into yet.
Interesting! I actually have not subscribed to a ton of stuff yet, but I feel like I’m seeing more than enough per day. The actual comments/threads aren’t super populated necessarily, but frankly, I think that’s a good thing. It’s keeping me from doom scrolling and I’m not getting bogged down in arguments like I used to on Reddit.
10-15? That’s childs play. I honestly read probably an order of magnitude more than that.
I mean we all have our preferences, but I personally don’t want to go back to my old habit of spending 2-3 hours a day on reddit and lying to myself about why I did it. I try to cap it at an hour on here a day at most.
I set aside some time to really browse communities and subscribe to the ones I’m interested in. My Home feed is pretty good now and isn’t just filled with memes and porn. Sure, there aren’t as much comments as reddit, but it also makes discussions more meaningful because my comments are not instantly buried in low-effort jokes and puns. I just browse All from time to time to see what else is out there and maybe discover some new communities. It also helps to have accounts on different instances because the Local feed varies too.
My technique is browse All then just block the communities that I’m not interested in, that way I won’t miss any new community that sprouts up.
I’m not getting any of that stuff because I don’t subscribe to communities that allow that stuff.
I’ve just taken a look at the “all” tab for the first time and I agree it’s horrendous - but it was like that on Reddit as well, I think the solution is to only subscribe to what you’re interested in.
Yeah, definitely. On Reddit I used to browse both Subscribed and All (with lots of filters). I agree that it was rough there too, but unfortunately I just haven’t found enough active communities here to subscribe to.
Either way, I’m here for the long haul, and I’m sure it’ll get better over time.
I have to agree. Especially with that last one. The amount of cynical and/or pessimistic people on here making up a strong vocal (hopefully) minority is really disappointing
Is this comment not cynical and/or pessimistic?
I’m simply stating what I see and that it’s disappointing. Not sure how that can be seen as cynical or pessimistic
I just wanted to read some Strange Planet and Extra Fabulous Comics… Maybe a little Pizzacake… See what the latest memes are… I had no idea what Barbieheimer was until CNN told me…
I haven’t used Reddit in a good couple of months, but there are some things I miss. Anyway, I promise not to reply to anything with “This”…
This
Beans were popular a couple weeks ago. I see more random memes than reddit, it’s still a wild wild west of funny memes.
This
Noooooooooooooo…
Well, have you seen FOSS fans biting everyone’s asses over saying user experience is important and labor should be paid? Yeah, people getting their preferences called out and ridiculed usually causes that. It’s like getting into a small subreddit and stirring shit by saying that their collective opinion is wrong.
Before the great Reddit exodus, Lemmy was just an echo chamber for a small subset of like-minded people. Now you get Reddit Lite. Enjoy it!!
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This comment is almost poetic lol
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I love the idea and spirit of Lemmy, I think decentralized and federated networks show a ton of promise…
However my experiences so far trying to engage in intelligent discussion/debate on Lemmy have been far more combative and frankly mean than I can ever recall on even the most “passionate” subreddits I participated in.
I think it’s a cross-section of the kinds of people who are enthusiastic about federated networks, and people who are knowledgeable enough to be early adopters here. But I’ll be honest, it has definitely cooled my interest in participating in discussion on Lemmy instances.
I don’t appreciate being called names or being accused of being a bad faith actor simply because I’m asking questions or challenging a viewpoint, and that seems to be the outcome of nearly every interaction here.
It doesn’t do any favors for changing the perception that Lemmy (and other federated platforms like Mastodon) are populated by terminally online keyboard warriors.
There’s a distinct feeling that if you support or even just use “traditional” (non-federated) platforms, or otherwise are not fully committed to 100% decentralization or open source, you are the enemy here.
I don’t want to go back to Reddit, and I won’t because of the absolutely abhorrent things their leadership has done and continues to do, but Lemmy users in my experience are overwhelmingly hostile and it sucks.
Maybe you are in the wrong instance , or community… Though I do acknowledge that people are super foss and decentralized avengers here. And also there are a large number of anti corporation and anti capitalists inhabiting lemmy. But mostly I’ve found people have been civil, the ones that I have encountered.
Anyway there’s always the block and report button for those special kind of internet people who I can consider as not in my interest to have another encounter again.
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It’s getting more peoply. Just the way people are.
How dare they! Everyone must arrive completely free of bias and judgement, nice, and open-minded.
It’s an unattainable ideal yes. But it’s okay to lament the decline in behavior as a social web service grows. Perhaps as a reminder to everyone to try to be better.
In my experience, this has always been a problem after a forum grows beyond a certain size. It’s not really a Reddit-exclusive thing. It’s also not related to karma/reputation-tracking, IMO.
Early adopters of a small, somewhat empty community are people who want to grow the community and encourage posting. Discussion is bright and careful in certain ways because it’s usually just a few commenters interacting with each other who all want the same thing.
Once a community grows big enough to support lurkers and a variety of topics, with multifaceted discussion happening naturally, you have a familiar effect happen: you know how people are disproportionately more likely to review a product or business if they had a negative experience than a positive one? Well, in a similar way, when there’s enough content to lurk (and not be one of the early enthusiasts who post in spite of a lack of content, as a duty to help the community grow), then lurkers are more likely to come out of the woodwork and join a discussion when they see something they disagree with or feel strongly about.
Honestly, though, it has a few silver linings. I grew up learning a lot from arguments online in various places. Sometimes they are handled well and sometimes they are handled poorly by the participants. Learn from both. It’s great to see two sides of an issue, even a petty one. It can teach you a ton about how to behave well, how to actually persuade someone on a topic, and how to avoid conflict in the first place. It can also teach you about a controversial topic you knew little about, and spark your curiosity to learn more (if only to refute something with citations) and sometimes change your opinion altogether.
The healthy/toxic dichotomy starts in your own mind. You can’t control others, but you can control yourself. So find those little positive nuggets where you can.
Us old greybeards remember this as “Eternal September”,.when AOL users were let off the leash.
Definitelynot a Reddit problem this is humanity at its core.
This is Barbara Striesand.
As older lemmy users try to reject the reddit influence, it will become the modus operandi.
Ever raised a kid? 😁
Well said, I do hate to see discord between users, but what is a forum if everyone has one mind and there’s no discussion to be had. Civility is key to open people’s minds to your own view. And yours to theirs.
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Yes. Politically militant people are becoming more common. This time last month people seemed to have been much more agreeable even if they didn’t agree with you.
