Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I’m hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a “bro” kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The “guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace” was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that’s happening, where the whole “male” culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I’m getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

  • Belly_Beanis [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    27 days ago

    Okay but Heinlein is kinda mid so that tracks lmao

    At least your chud reads. My chuddiest chud relatives think reading is for dorks and I’m pretty sure one of them hasn’t picked up a book since high school (despite being almost 50).

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      27 days ago

      My chud primarily got into reading because the Starship Troopers movie’s satire completely fucking missed him and he wanted to read the book where the epic space fascism came from.

      He liked the book more.

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        26 days ago

        That’s a

        from me considering how open the director and cast have been about the movie being satire. These last few years have convinced me you have to be explicitly and vocally anti-fascist in storytelling because these brainlets don’t realize when they aren’t welcome.

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          26 days ago

          Even many of the people on set missed the point to the point of pissing off Verhoeven. He complained later about how “yay space fascism!” was a common sentiment among many of the actors there.