For those who are wondering, yes, Wine is malware compatible so be careful about the EXEs you run!
I feel like, for some weird reason, nobody on lemmy knows how meme templates are supposed to be used.
It’s like watching my parents try to meme and I’m here for it.
People bitching about meme usage. I am home.
Same thing happened on Reddit, honestly.
you mean because of the last two panels which are supposed to be the same? I personally prefer this version, it always bothered me reading the same thing twice which didn’t add much to the meme
The double take is the meme though…
it doesn’t have to conform to the exact format to work
If it doesn’t conform to the format, you should pick a different one that it does conform to and use that instead.
What if they couldn’t come up with a different format (even tho I may know different formats to use here I sometimes simply don’t know their name (to search for their templates) or I’m just lacking the mental capacity to think of a more fitting one :')
ಠ_ಠ
its like retelling a joke you heard but leaving out the punchline
I find the meme quite funny actually. even tho the last panels are typically the same text, they dont have to be. Memes can change after all.
Technically the minion pictures boomers unironically post on Facebook are also memes
This is why I always test suspicious files on my work issued PC.
You’re the reason my Mondays are always chaos
Then you’re not going to be happy with me deploying work production code via my dedicated porn box…
I see you work for my company…
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[Gru, the long-nosed protagonist of the “Despicable Me” franchise, presents to the camera, pointing into the air and smiling. Behind him is a flipchart with text reading:]
And the best part about using Linux: No viruses!
[Still presenting, Gru has his hand in a C shape and his head down as he peers at the gap between his fingers. The text now reads:]
Look at this, a website downloaded a malicious .exe on my machine.
[Gru now has his hands pointing down, fingers splayed, still presenting. The text now reads:]
*Double Click*
See? Nothing happe…
[Gru looks back to the flipchart in a double-take, his eyes round and wide and his mouth downturned. The text still reads:]
*Wine is launching*
[The Wine logo: a slightly tipped wine glass with red wine sloshing inside it.]
I am a human who transcribes posts to improve accessibility on Lemmy. Transcriptions help people who use screen readers or other assistive technology to use the site. For more information, see here.
Good human
Oh gods I’m tired. I read:
Image Transcription: Meme
And saw the line break and thought “Wow. That was a good transcription.” I think I need to go back to bed.
Thanks human
Does Lemmy not support alt text? I can’t add alt text from Infinity for Lemmy; is that because Lemmy doesn’t support it or just my client? Because they really should.
As far as I’m aware, Lemmy unfortunately does not provide the option to add alt text to images. Hopefully that will change, though!
Really? So when I write , the alt text does nothing?
I didn’t know you could do that!
From what I can see, this means you can add alt text to images you embed using markdown. However, directly uploaded images in posts don’t seem to have a way to directly add alt text that I can find. You can add a transcription in the text body, but it’s not quite as accessible as pure alt text because screen readers won’t read it automatically when the image gets focused.
Possibly you could embed an image in the text body and upload that like a text post, and that way use the markdown to add the alt text, but that would require the image is already hosted somewhere in the internet.
Oof that sucks. Thank you for answering :)
It would be great if it had proper alt text. But since an image post can have an additional text body you can put an image description there. I guess it’s a good idea to wrap it in a spoiler/
<details>element.Image description
Gru…
::: spoiler Image description Gru… :::</details>
The year of Linux desktop! Complete with the malwares!
This happened to me not long ago when I found a monero miner running on my laptop. Being a highly technical person, I feel unbounded shame.
How did you figure out it was running? How did you confirm? Teach me your methods
Please
It was pretty easy to spot in
htopsince it had really high CPU usage. Plus, the command line args it launched with included the word “Monero” multiple times, so that was a bit of a giveaway hahaI sometimes leave my laptop on, but the monitor turned off when I go to sleep. Sometimes when I wake up, the fans on the laptop will be running full speed, which dies down soon after I turn the monitor on and use the laptop for a little while. Do you think this might be a symptom of some covertware running on my laptop?
Perhaps.
There may be easier ways to test for this, but what comes to mind is if you install your current OS again on another partition and then leave it as you usually do, and see if the fans do the same thing. If they do, it might just be a fault with the fan control or sleep state or something.
If it doesn’t happen, I’d assume something fishy is going on. Maybe try and set up a script to log your CPU usage and what’s using the most every few minutes. That might catch something?
I’ve just now had another thought. If it’s trying to be covert, maybe just leave your task manager / htop open and don’t touch anything for a while, it might think you’re afk and start running again. If it doesn’t, it could be checking to see if common monitoring tools are running and stopping itself to avoid detection, if that’s the case you’ll have to be a bit smarter about trying to catch it.tl;dr Maybe. Run a virus scan if you can, or try and find it yourself if you think you can. If all else fails, nuke the OS and start again.
That makes sense. In the end I guess it depends on what level any malware expects the user to search for it on. Thanks.
I might be able to find a weird service or background app at most. Figuring out what is actually happening is beyond me.
Was it still through WINE? I’d feel bad for the miner as well as it likely couldn’t have done the MSR mod so low hashrate lol.
Feeling bad that a scammer couldn’t scam hard enough is hilarious. Only in a Linux forum.
Tbf, if you get an OOTB distro infected, that is most definitely user error
If you (somehow) manage to get gentoo or lfs infected, I’d still consider it user error lol
LFS maybe, but gentoo or arch is understandable because you have to set the security up yourself.
Yes it was, I run Zorin (Ubuntu-based) on my laptop.
no matter what os you use you can get viruses on linux and macos the chanche is slimmer because they have a smaller user base. the only way to not get viruses is to use your brain. for those who don’t know there are linux viruses and you can get them if you don’t pay attention
People say this but I don’t think it’s true. The vast majority of internet servers run on Linux and they are much higher-value targets than your laptop. It is more secure than windows, not just because of the smaller user base. However you’re right of course that you can still get viruses.
The other counterpoint is Mac OS 9 and earlier. Had a minority of the user share, had a ton of viruses.
Those servers have teams of trained individuals whose job is to secure them and keep them bulletproof. It’s a bit different from grandma downloading random crap on her Linux mint desktop to be fair.
Sure, I agree with that - although you might be surprised how many of them don’t. But that’s kind of the point, web servers are massive targets for virus development, and yet even grandma’s Linux Mint still doesn’t get viruses that often.
Which part are you saying isn’t true?
That the lack of Linux viruses is mostly/specifically due to lower user base. It’s probably a factor but I don’t think it’s the primary reason.
Did you read the thread you just replied to? Most of the internet, hundreds of millions (probably trillions but I’m being conservative) of servers, all run Linux. Linux is a minority on desktop computers, yes, but it’s a majority of computers on the planet. For every one or two computers an individual might have there are a multitude of servers (that’s not just base servers but all the virtual servers, docker containers, IOT, and mobile devices). 10’s of these per person if not hundreds. All linux. Your argument that it’s a smaller user base is patently false. You’re using linux right now and don’t even know it.
Pretty sure that is what they are saying. They are the one who initially said that in this thread. I read them saying lower user base as meaning a lower desktop user base, which you acknowledge. Or maybe you’re responding to the wrong person.
I see your point. I did not catch the proper context given your comment prior. That’s my bad. Thanks for pointing that out and being gentle with me. Disregard my comment. Going to leave it in case someone who does think that way happens upon it.
“Well no problem, they can’t run without root privileges!” -/home left the game
Reminds me https://xkcd.com/1200
Time to go back to our “roots” then.
You really don’t think Linux has viruses? I’m confused by this post. Is it an excuse to shit on wine and windows?
They’re super rare. I’ve not gotten one once in decades, whereas I’ve encountered countless viruses on Windows. Linux is more secure, but also it’s just a smaller target. Best way to avoid viruses is to use an OS nobody else wants to use *taps head
I think you have a false sense of security with regards to Linux vulnerabilities and exploitations. There are dozen of known exploits throughout the Linux ecosystem that are publicly disclosed frequently.
What makes you think Linux is more secure than windows? I’m not trying to start an argument here I’m just curious.
I find the Linux ecosystem has far better updating mechanisms than Windows and it doesn’t have as much backwards compatibility cruft as Windows. That and the open source nature I think is better at having exploits uncovered. I’m not saying Linux is perfectly secure, but that it’s more secure than Windows. But I think the biggest reason it’s less likely to get viruses is just that it’s a smaller target and that hackers aren’t spending as much time trying to attack it, plus the users are more tech savvy meaning any attacks will be less lucrative.
it’s a smaller target and that hackers aren’t spending as much time trying to attack it
It’s the most popular server system, so I’m not so sure about that.
The target user base is much smaller. Most viruses are spread through user error and server administrators are far more competent than a typical OS user. Also, typical server exploits lead to exposing credentials rather than spreading viruses.
Software is usually installed from repositories and not random websites, so there is less room for user error in general. Even if you download an executable file, you will most likely have to give it permissions to run first. So I think it’s more immune to viruses not because of its users, but because of the way it’s designed.
Open source can be a double edged sword for that but I dig it.
I think dependencies in Linux packages does cause a lot of issues but that’s mostly on air gaped networks, and even still manageable.
Sizing the target depends on what threat actors are involved though so those broad stroke statements don’t hold up well in reality, from my Experience.
GNU/Linux is Libre Software, so that already makes it more secure, because anyone can actually verify what it does and modify it if needed. This means that users are really in control of what the operating system does. It’s difficult to verify what Windows does, but we know that it contains spyware, which isn’t easy to remove.
Installing software from a repository is also safer than downloading it from random websites.
When some library like OpenSSL has a vulnerability, you will get a new version with system updates and all programs will start using that patched version. On Windows usually each program has to have its own update mechanism or it will be stuck with old libraries.
Not sure what their answer is but not delaying security fixes until some fixed monthly date would be my answer.
To be fair, critical security patches for Windows are often delivered out of band (not on patch Tuesday). And malware definitions for Defender are daily.
Not trying to defend Microsoft entirely, but not everything is delayed until their monthly update schedule.
To be fair if it’s scored high enough there are usually workarounds posted and supported to hold you over for patch Tuesday.
I’ve done patch management on both platforms and find the predictability easier to manage. But that’s not home use so grain of salt stuff.
And a single place to download and install all those security fixes with one command.
There’s a difference between exploits and malicious software (even though malicious software often makes use of exploits, it is different). I am willing to bet there is way way more malicious software written for Windows than Linux, simply because there’s way more Windows users than Linux users and there’s way more Windows software than Linux software.
Yeah that’s true. But I say false sense of security because that’s what happened to Apple back in the day and they got caught with their pants down lol
Getting tired of this smaller target narrative. On desktop, maybe. We don’t know for sure since most Linux doesn’t carry telemetry and one ISO download doesn’t mean one install.
Also, Linux runs some insanely high percentage of the Internet (server, VM, container), IOT and mobile. For every individual who might own a hand full of computers there are 10’s, or perhaps hundreds, of Linux servers out there doing tasks for them. Virus and malware don’t only target desktops. There’s literally no larger target.
I think when people say it is a smaller target for virii, they are talking about an actual virus such as ransomware, crypto miner, adware, trojans, etc. I have zero doubt these types of virii are more targeted on Windows platforms. Linux servers on the other hand are indeed going to be the largest target for exploits. The primary mechanism by which a Linux server is compromised is going to be via an exploit, not an actual virus. That’s not to say they don’t exist. I administer hundreds of Linux servers in several data centers. I don’t believe I’ve ever come across an actual virus in the last decade or so, but do deal with exploit and brute force attempts nonstop. Perhaps this is a matter of semantics. I don’t consider the tools and methods used to exploit systems as a virus.
Exactly. Server exploits tend to lead to leaked credentials, not viruses.
To be fair, I haven’t gotten a windows virus in at least 25 years either…
Getting a virus takes real effort. I feel like the whole virus debate is just 2000s hangover, and people never update their shit talking points.
What is actually a threat are scams. Seniors being called, lied to and forced to compromise themselves. Those are the real viruses of 2023. And obviously 99% of seniors are on Windows.
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yeah when you use your brain you don’t get viruses it better than any anti virus software
You had the perfect opportunity to mention you use arch and wasted it!
lmao
I use Kubuntu, BTW.
By God you’re right! Installs BeOS haiku
There are very few Linux viruses. With its low market share, it’s not a juicy target, or at least not desktop users.
I disagree. Linux is run on a large number of servers. It may be a less tempting target for Trojan style malware, but exploits and vulnerabilities for Linux are very valuable since you can gain access to large amounts of valuable data.
Yeah that kinda thinking is really not useful. Linux is a very very juicy target these days due to your thinking. Desktop Linux installations are riddled with poor security settings and many server features enabled by default. IOT devices and self spun servers are regularly deployed unsecured as well.
Yeah, even if it IS true that it’s not juicy right now, doesn’t that mentality run directly contradictory to the desire for linux to become more popular? We’re trying to increase market share, so the “not a juicy target” idea is a very wreckless way of thinking.
I just got a real bad malware on my windows PC and I’m legit considering using Linux as a response. What’s the best into to someone who isn’t a programmer but understands computers relatively well enough?
Try a few different distros. People often recommend Mint for a beginner. I use Fedora personally, I also like Debian, it’s stable but a bit boring and can be outdated. You can also creat a bootable live USB and try before you install!
Tbh, I consider “a bit boring” a pretty good feature for an OS. “Exciting” usually means dozens of hours to fix simple things.
LTS releases get more and more attractive with age.
That is very trueˆˆ
Depends on how new your hardware is - distros with new kernels work much better on many brand new machines.
To clarify, because I think this would be pretty confusing for someone who isn’t already into Linux.
So a “distro” is short for a distribution of linux. Strictly speaking, Linux is just a kernel which is a technical component of an operating system. A few different organizations have taken the Linux kernel and added the necessary additions to turn it into a typical PC operating system e.g. Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Fedora, CentOS, Arch Linux, Manjaro Linux. Some are harder to get set up and some are plug and play. Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Manjaro are considered to be “easy” to set up. Arch Linux is typically considered the hardest.
But how do you actually install it? (1) choose the distro. (2) download the
.isofile from their website (a few gigabytes). (3) burn it into a spare usb flash drive to make a “live boot usb”. (4) go into your BIOS and select to boot from your usb instead of your typical hard drive. Now you should be in your chosen distro. Conside this a sandbox that is contained to only your flashdrive. If you shutdown and remove the flash drive, nothing would change. (5 optional) play around and try it out. Do you like it? (6) Double click the installer on the desktop to install it on your hard drive for-real.A note on step (3), you can find guides for this online. My favorite software that does this on windows is rufus.
A note on step (4), everyone’s BIOS looks a little different. You can search “how to change boot options on XYZ” for your laptop/motherboard.
A note on step (6), if you really hate windows, you’re free to nuke it, but your installer will give you the option to “install alongside windows” which will let you choose which OS to boot into on startup. This is known as “dual booting”. It’s the option with less commitment, but sometimes minor issues come up that requires troubleshooting (windows likes to fuck shit up when it updates).
If you’re planning on keeping Windows intact and you have a spare drive lying around I recommend temporarily removing your main SSD and installing the distro on the spare. This will prevent potential bootloader issues if you decide Linux isn’t your daily driver. The downside is if you want to swap OSes you’ll need to select the drive you want to boot from in BIOS.
Awesome thanks! Great info!
Starting out I’d say linux mint with a cinnamon desktop.
What’s a cinnamon desktop?
The standard version of Linux mint is with Cinnamon. Desktop environments are basically how your desktop looks. Cinnamon looks similar to Windows, and Mint is newbie friendly, so you will have no problem moving.
Linux has a bunch of different “desktop environments” (user interfaces that look and act somewhat different). Cinnamon is one of them that happens to feel relatively familiar to folks migrating from Windows.
(If you want to get a feel for what different DEs are like, try downloading different variants of the Ubuntu distribution — plain Ubuntu (with the GNOME DE), Kubuntu (KDE), Xubuntu (XFCE), Lubuntu (LXDE), etc. — which differ only in which DE they come with by default. Run them straight off a flash drive to try them out.)
Personally, I tend to use KDE, but it’s a choice very much based on personal taste rather than any objective superiority of one DE over another.
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Every few years I try Linux as a daily driver and it never really sticks. Zorin is the first Distro that I’ve stuck with more than a month and haven’t had to switch back for something. I can’t tell if Linux community in general has just evolved or if it’s Zorin, but it’s definitely great for people coming from Windows interested in Linux.
Does it have wine or something like that built in for windows games?
Because TBH the only thing stopping me from switching is the games.
It actually does, but you may also be surprised how many of your Steam games are Linux compatible nowadays!
Just install Steam and Lutris and install all your games through either Steam or Lutris and they’ll generally just work from there.
(Noone uses just wine directly and manually for their games anymore unless there’s a special reason. Valve developed a specialised version called Proton that mashes together Wine, DXVK and a bunch of tweaks specifically for gaming. Steam automatically installs it and then any Windows game installed through Steam is automatically configured with Proton for you. Lutris is an app that does that but for installing games without using Steam.)
Valve developed a specialised version
That sounds pretty nice. I’ll take a look at that.
Lutris is an app that does that but for installing games without using Steam.)
So for example if I want a non steam game like Minecraft I’d go through Lutris but beyond that I’d use steam?
Broadly yes. In the case of Minecraft I think at least one version is just made for Linux though so probably best to just follow the official instructions for installing it. But any game that’s made for Windows you’re best bet is to install it from either Steam or Lutris in the first instance.
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I’m migrating my personal Fedora 38 machines to Zorin. I want them to just work and I want my wife and parents to be comfortable using them. In that respect, it’s better than windows and macos.
Where does that idea come from that you have to be a programmer to use Linux? Is it because it’s sometimes faster to type a command? That’s not programming. It’s the same way that it’s faster to type your text that to get a voice recognition program to input it correctly.
Idk I just get the vibe that it’s a “programmers OS” I’m sure that I’m wrong, especially after looking more into it but that outsider opinion isn’t unwarranted IMO especially after looking at something like Arch
There are a lot more programmers running Windows than Linux though. :)
There’s like… 1/10 the amount of people on Linux as a whole
It kind of depends where you look.
Home desktop users, sure. Servers… Unless you have a really good reason, running a Windows server is a weird idea nowadays.
Pop_OS!
It’s not the best (technically), but its defaults have great compatability and work essentially everywhere.
Search how Pop_OS! Looks though, because it looks quite different to Windows (and you might want something that looks like Windows).
If you want a taskbar like Windows, use Kubuntu (and don’t touch many settings or the terminal, KDE has a habit to break if you don’t know what your doing) or Cinnamon.
Kubuntu is modern, highly customizable and comes with good defaults. It’ll also scale well if you want to put in the time.
Cinnamon has a slightly more outdated look, but it’s built ontop of the same base as Kubuntu, so it should work out of the box without any customization. It’s good for beginers, and reasonably hard to break (for Linux). But it’s not as customizable and won’t scale as well as Kubuntu if you want to deep dive into Linux at some point.
Mint or Pop!_OS if you use nvidia.
PopOs Nvidia version is amazing for common gaming laptops.
If you’re on Linux, you’re probably downloading apps through your package manager, or things like Flathub/Snap Store. These places are generally much safer than random .exes on the internet anyways, so just keep being cautious and you’ll be fine.
Same thing happened to me last year. Right into the uefi. Spent months fighting it after it got into phones, laptops, Linux Windows, whatever. Eventually got it gone and had been (trying mostly) to use Linux during the whole fiasco. During one of about 150 reinstalls of windows I couldn’t remember my password and wasn’t getting any of the password reset emails I was repeatedly requesting.
I was locked out of my own fucking computer with nothing to do but reinstall windows. The same shit could happen with Linux except I wouldn’t have an expectation that a fucking password reset button would work.
That was the part straw for me. I viewed never to use windows again unless I absolutely had to.
And now that I’ve gotten thang of it: I fucking love Linux. I’m continually learning more about both Linux and computers. I feel like I’m peeling back later after layer after layer of useful interesting shit that windows purposefully kept from me.
Parts of the learning process were rough, not going to lie, but my god. I fucking love the command line. I just love it.
How would I know if the malware got into my Wi-Fi???
My personal pick is Nobara (which is fedora but with easy codecs and driver install script). But anything Ubuntu or Fedora bases is going to work great (From what I remember Nobara and POP_OS! Have great Nvidia support out of the box)
EndeavourOS
Zorin OS is a personal favorite. Don’t worry about the paied version, just get the free one. You can get everything on the paid version for free, it’s just so thr deevs can get some support
Vulnerable to malwareMalware compatibleSadly “Wine is not a container” doesn’t make for a good acronym.
WINC? 😉
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I didn’t know malware compatible was a term, oh it’s wonderful! I’m gonna use it on people in real life hehe
And now some normie is going to think that Wine is actually a virus.
Nah, but proprietary software is often malware.
I thought wine was open source, or am I misunderstanding you ?.
WINE itself is open source, but it’s designed to facilitate the use of proprietary software. (This is because although it can be used to run open-source Windows software, best practice would be to recompile or port that stuff to Linux instead.)
If proprietary software is often malware and WINE is designed to facilitate proprietary software, then WINE is designed to facilitate malware.
(FWIW, I agree with the above statement, but use Wine anyway for a few games.)
It’s certainly better to use WINE to run a few proprietary programs than to run a whole proprietary operating system like Windows :)
I mean if you consider Windows a virus, by extension…yes? /s 😜
I haven’t run a Linux machine in years. Has wine improved or was I just not savvy enough to get things to run on it?
If you run games with Steam on Linux, it will probably use Proton, which uses Wine. It allows thousands of games to be click & play now on Linux now. See: https://www.protondb.com/
It’s gotten significantly better since ~2010 or so when I was first struggling with it. Valve developing Proton on top of it definitely didn’t hurt even if that in particular is more games focused.
Wine has gotten pretty good, but mostly for games rather than traditional applications.
I’ve used it for some windows only programs and it works great, the only gripe I could have is the one looks different because of the fonts. I’m sure I could add in the fonts or w/e and make it identical though.
It can’t run literally everything, but it’s pretty damn good, in my opinion. Not that I find myself needing to run a whole lot with it, though.
I still get excited launching steam on Linux.
It’s really good for WoW and GW2.
How’s the blizz launcher now? I bailed and went to ffxiv and that plays flawlessly. I keep trying to talk myself out of going back to wow because of how toxic it became.
It runs about as well as it does under Windows. I’m not currently interested in paying another subscription - feels like too much pressure and the amount I spent on WoW over the years is distressing.
I’ve been playing GW2 since December and it also runs well with Wine.
I feel that, played from LK to Shadowlands. At times I miss it, but really just miss the old days of it and the people I played with.
Both
