I do not understand the mentality. Companies do not care for your well-being. Don’t die for them just because your manager is an idiot that says “stay put”.
We have the hindsight with full knowledge of the risk they were taking. I’d bet they only thought they were risking their next paycheck, not their lives.
You think floodwaters rising towards your building isn’t sufficient signs to know that you’re in a dangerous situation?
I’m sorry but I’ve seen enough in life to know you do not fuck with water on the move. Floods are dangerous as fuck. If the water is rising around you, get the fuck out of dodge or as high up as you can get.
Nobody has ever been surprised by flood waters before. Paths of travel in low lying areas have never been cut off unexpectedly before. It must just be these dumb workers fault they drowned. /s
I think people are generally slow to realize that they are in a life-or-death situation. I’m not talking about just the victims here, but rather about everyone accustomed to living in safety (including the bosses who told the victims to stay). We’re so used to making choices where death is not a potential outcome that we simply don’t take the possibility into account.
I was in downtown Manhattan on 9/11, close enough to the World Trade Center that I felt the building I was in shake when the towers were hit. The funny thing is that I wasn’t scared. I wasn’t even horrified. I couldn’t see the towers from my window but I watched the smoke rising and experienced only a strange excitement. I didn’t leave the area until they told us to, hours later. (I don’t blame them. They were as stunned as I was.) The whole thing didn’t feel real.
Now I know that I was in absolutely no danger (except from all the pollutants I ended up breathing after they eventually made us come back to the area before the air was clean) but I couldn’t have known that at the time.
Edit: The thing with the pollutants is a good example too. I could smell that the air wasn’t clean; everyone could. They told us that they were monitoring the air quality and I trusted them despite having my throat sore by the time I went home every day from the irritants in the dust I was breathing. Hell, I could see the dust rising nearby when cranes loaded debris from the towers onto barges and I still just did what I was told with no objections.
And f you’re in a factory hard at work, presumably can’t see the water rising, aren’t listening to the news? While they should have known ahead of time there was a bad storm, that’s different from knowing the factory would flood, and it’s quite possible they had no way to know while they worked. This is purely on management for staying open
Homesslessness in the US is about a coin flip off for death or suffering, every hour of every day.
Quitting your job or getting fired for insubordination prevents you from collecting unemployment, and most Americans have less than a weeks expenses saved due the the last 60 years of low pay and exponentially rising expenses, causing homelessness if you lose your job.
You might die in a hurricane induced flood, but that risk can seem less than slowly dying while homeless or in prison for being homeless.
I don’t know why people are missing this. If your fucking workplace gets flooded you won’t have a job anyways. If it’s so bad you’re moving parking spots your workplace is toast anyways. Get your ass moving!
Most people don’t understand how dire their situation is when mother nature shows up. Especially immigrants who may have never experienced such weather.
Did it wash into the building, or just the people in the parking lot trying to save their means of transport that allows any type of work in most parts of this country?
Born and raised here. 1 day of insubordination isn’t the end of the world, especially when the world is ending (for other reasons). Finding, and training a new person will take more than the 1 day of productivity lost.
A lifetime ago I worked at a place that gave a shit on paper for legal reasons.
One night I hear an unfamiliar alarm, as does everyone in my immediate vicinity.
My contribution to the conversation about the nature of the alarm was to say they could stay and discuss it if they wanted to. But I was not about to burn up for the assholes who ran the place.
I was out the fire door with all its alarms before they figured out it was a phone left off the hook.
I do not understand the mentality. Companies do not care for your well-being. Don’t die for them just because your manager is an idiot that says “stay put”.
We have the hindsight with full knowledge of the risk they were taking. I’d bet they only thought they were risking their next paycheck, not their lives.
You think floodwaters rising towards your building isn’t sufficient signs to know that you’re in a dangerous situation?
I’m sorry but I’ve seen enough in life to know you do not fuck with water on the move. Floods are dangerous as fuck. If the water is rising around you, get the fuck out of dodge or as high up as you can get.
Nobody has ever been surprised by flood waters before. Paths of travel in low lying areas have never been cut off unexpectedly before. It must just be these dumb workers fault they drowned. /s
I think people are generally slow to realize that they are in a life-or-death situation. I’m not talking about just the victims here, but rather about everyone accustomed to living in safety (including the bosses who told the victims to stay). We’re so used to making choices where death is not a potential outcome that we simply don’t take the possibility into account.
I was in downtown Manhattan on 9/11, close enough to the World Trade Center that I felt the building I was in shake when the towers were hit. The funny thing is that I wasn’t scared. I wasn’t even horrified. I couldn’t see the towers from my window but I watched the smoke rising and experienced only a strange excitement. I didn’t leave the area until they told us to, hours later. (I don’t blame them. They were as stunned as I was.) The whole thing didn’t feel real.
Now I know that I was in absolutely no danger (except from all the pollutants I ended up breathing after they eventually made us come back to the area before the air was clean) but I couldn’t have known that at the time.
Edit: The thing with the pollutants is a good example too. I could smell that the air wasn’t clean; everyone could. They told us that they were monitoring the air quality and I trusted them despite having my throat sore by the time I went home every day from the irritants in the dust I was breathing. Hell, I could see the dust rising nearby when cranes loaded debris from the towers onto barges and I still just did what I was told with no objections.
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And f you’re in a factory hard at work, presumably can’t see the water rising, aren’t listening to the news? While they should have known ahead of time there was a bad storm, that’s different from knowing the factory would flood, and it’s quite possible they had no way to know while they worked. This is purely on management for staying open
Right right. That’s what they were trying to do. And they died. So what are you going on about?
Homesslessness in the US is about a coin flip off for death or suffering, every hour of every day. Quitting your job or getting fired for insubordination prevents you from collecting unemployment, and most Americans have less than a weeks expenses saved due the the last 60 years of low pay and exponentially rising expenses, causing homelessness if you lose your job. You might die in a hurricane induced flood, but that risk can seem less than slowly dying while homeless or in prison for being homeless.
How likely are you actually going to get fired for not showing up one day during a hurricane?
I if the entire staff just didn’t show up that one day they’re probably not all going to get fired.
In hindsight, your job is probably secure now that they are short staffed (which is fucking disgusting).
If flood waters are entering your place of business you’re not going to have a job tomorrow.
I don’t know why people are missing this. If your fucking workplace gets flooded you won’t have a job anyways. If it’s so bad you’re moving parking spots your workplace is toast anyways. Get your ass moving!
Most people don’t understand how dire their situation is when mother nature shows up. Especially immigrants who may have never experienced such weather.
Did it wash into the building, or just the people in the parking lot trying to save their means of transport that allows any type of work in most parts of this country?
Water got to roof level and the building was destroyed.
https://www.aol.com/tennessee-factory-employees-clung-semitruck-143515436.html
I’m guessing you’re not American.
Very likely. Every worker is replacable and they may be able to replace you for less money too.
Born and raised here. 1 day of insubordination isn’t the end of the world, especially when the world is ending (for other reasons). Finding, and training a new person will take more than the 1 day of productivity lost.
A lifetime ago I worked at a place that gave a shit on paper for legal reasons.
One night I hear an unfamiliar alarm, as does everyone in my immediate vicinity.
My contribution to the conversation about the nature of the alarm was to say they could stay and discuss it if they wanted to. But I was not about to burn up for the assholes who ran the place. I was out the fire door with all its alarms before they figured out it was a phone left off the hook.
Seriously! As a Floridian, I’ve told bosses I’m leaving on several occasions. It wasn’t a request. I’ll be back when it’s safe to do so.
This isn’t as easy for immigrants. If they’re on a work visa and lose their job, they can be deported. So many will stay for fear of being fired.