For decades, we have been in the streets in defense of the Palestinian people, and will continue to fight until the total liberation of Palestine!

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    Ah, the classic tankie defending Russia, the country with the constant historical instances of brutalizing the nations around it.

    I guess it sucks that Russia can’t simply smash Ukraine like they did last time in the 20s, because nothing bad happened after Ukraine was subjugated a decade later lol

    Oh, who am I kidding? You probably don’t believe the USSR did anything bad.

    As for your other statements: I’m going to operate under the idea of protecting the people I know vs those I don’t, as there is basically nothing I can do to stop the problem, and I’ve already determined that going with the less damaging to them option is the superior one to not. I’d be happy to have an option that both keeps the people I care about safe AND stop genocide, but if I can’t, I’m taking the next best thing - it really is that simple.

    If you can’t accept that and want to call me a genocide lover, go off lol, your words are worth as little as the next person’s.

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      Ah, the classic tankie defending Russia, the country with the constant historical instances of brutalizing the nations around it.

      Notice that at no point did I defend Russia. You are simply making things up now, tacitly admitting to a bankrupt position. You then went on a little fictitious jubilee of making things up, believing them, and then making fun of them. Did you enjoy your public fantasizing? I’ll remind you that you are justifying support for genocide.

      As for your other statements: I’m going to operate under the idea of protecting the people I know vs those I don’t

      So open chauvinism. Morally bankrupt.

      as there is basically nothing I can do to stop the problem

      I have already addressed this. Refer to the things I said that you conveniently skipped over.

      and I’ve already determined that going with the less damaging to them option is the superior one to not.

      I have already addressed this. Refer to the things I said that you conveniently skipped over.

      I’d be happy to have an option that both keeps the people I care about safe AND stop genocide, but if I can’t, I’m taking the next best thing - it really is that simple.

      I have already addressed this. Refer to the things I said that you conveniently skipped over.

      If you can’t accept that and want to call me a genocide lover

      I have no need for exaggerative labels, only accurate ones that are uncomfortable for you. You support genociders and normalize genocide as a lesser evil policy plank. You do so with rhetoric that tokenizes trans people and speak flippantly about the similarities between your logic and support for Himmler. You claim to care about the genocide of Palestinians but then make references to their actual plight about yourself and your own feelings. You acknowledge your position is pure chauvinism, though you do not have the vocabulary to describe it as such.

      You can avoid being labeled by descriptions of your behavior by not engaging in those behaviors. If you feel bad about any of that bad faith or bigoted behavior, perhaps do some self-criticism rather than trying to pretend I am being absurd.

      go off lol, your words are worth as little as the next person’s.

      Announcing your own intransigence in the face of reason is not a zinger lol

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        Sigh… we both know this isn’t going anywhere. Neither of us will give in because both of us feel strongly about our positions and will not budge on them because of our feelings that we are doing the right thing (and no amount of saying I support genociders will change that).

        Anything you say that’s less than Russia totally pulling out of Ukraine I can easily say is supporting genocidal dictators in the same way you say voting for the Democrats is supporting genocidal regimes and we can keep going back and forth ad nauseum, so I’ll save us both the trouble.

        Just remember, the average American is wildly less socially conscious than you’d like to believe, though the fact that so many poor factory workers are anti-union should make that somewhat self-evident. Whatever you plan to do better be a bit more compelling than just talking about Muslims a world away to the decidedly closed-minded rural population of Middle America.

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          Sigh… we both know this isn’t going anywhere. Neither of us will give in because both of us feel strongly about our positions and will not budge on them because of our feelings that we are doing the right thing (and no amount of saying I support genociders will change that).

          No, this is not a principled disagreement. You have repeatedly had to deflect, ignore, and mischaracterize to dance around challenging points. I do not care about the “strength” or your beliefs, though it is clearly flimsy given this insecure behavior.

          Anything you say that’s less than Russia totally pulling out of Ukraine I can easily say is supporting genocidal dictators

          Please refer to what I’ve already said about Russia and reply to it if you’d like to discuss that topic. I am not interested in discussing or defending your imagination.

          Just remember, the average American is wildly less socially conscious than you’d like to believe

          Oh? How socially conscious do I believe the average American is? When have we ever talked about anything like that whatsoever?

          Ah, right, we haven’t.

          I guess we have reached a point where you will offer nothing more than straw men and patting yourself on the back. I hope that you someday have the courage of your “convictions” and can engage in good faith, especially when it comes to topics like support for genocide.