• Digital_man@lemmy.one
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    White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.

    Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.

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        Why not? Capitalism is private control over the factors of production - it’s not “equal freedom” or anything like that. The American South was capitalist during chattel slavery.

        And that’s not even getting into wage slavery.

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          Capitalism is private control over the factors of production

          If someone is legally exercising force over someone else, they are a de facto entity of the state.

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              From DuckDuckGo:

              1. An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
              1. An economic system based on predominantly private (individual or corporate) investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods and wealth; contrasted with socialism or especially communism, in which the state has the predominant role in the economy.
              1. A socio-economic system based on private property rights, including the private ownership of resources or capital, with economic decisions made largely through the operation of a market unregulated by the state.
              1. A socio-economic system based on the abstraction of resources into the form of privately-owned capital, with economic decisions made largely through the operation of a market unregulated by the state.
              1. A specific variation or implementation of either such socio-economic system.
              1. An economic system based on private ownership of capital.

              This isn’t necessary for all of them, but from Wikipedia:

              A state is a political entity that regulates society and the population within a territory.

              Slave masters are regulators of population, so they are an actor of the state.

    • Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz
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      Africans enslaved and sold other Africans by the millions for centuries before white people arrived on the continent. Though they certainly made it worse when they did.

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        People enslaved their opponents in war for essentially as long as humans have existed, until we decided slavery was an evil we should avoid. However, this was not generally chattel slavery. Usually their offspring were not slaves and they were not bread to create more slaves, like livestock.

        This is a good read if you want to learn more.

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        I’m not sure you have enough of a historical framework on population to make the claim you’re mindlessly repeating, but I appreciate that you “people” out yourselves so readily so normal humans can avoid you. Good luck on truth social or Facebook or x I guess.

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                It matters a lot. Chattel slavery is what Europe brought to Africa. It’s a particularly violent and cruel form of slavery. The “Africans also had slaves” argument is a fallacious one as the systems of slavery were very different. We could say the same thing for “wage slavery” today to demonize that or to lessen the hatred of chattel slavery. The intent of the message was to dismiss the harm, which should not be done.

                  • GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
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                    Classical slavery was practiced for a time in Europe as well, and chattel slavery was not exclusive to European diaspora; It was also practiced by Imperial Japan on Koreans and Chinese, for instance.