• quicksand@lemm.ee
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    5 hours ago

    My wife is Indonesian Muslim, hates Kamala for what we’re doing in Palestine and told me not to vote for her. I’m still voting for Kamala but man that was a hard conversation I never would have expected. Seems like the military owns everything these days

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      3 hours ago

      My wife is Indonesian Muslim, hates Kamala for what we’re doing in Palestine and told me not to vote for her. I’m still voting for Kamala

      Have you considered having solidarity with your wife? Did you convince her to vote Kamala, or is this still a wedge issue? Or are you not even telling her?

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        2 hours ago

        Your copy/pasted comment is telling people to defeat MAGA with socialism. But first let’s get it to hard mode by having MAGAs take over and do Project 2025, right?

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          2 hours ago

          A Socialist revolution is “hard mode” whether the Democrats or Republicans are in charge, I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that the establishment parties would be any friendlier or more hostile to a literal revolution.

          I also don’t know why you’re saying I am suggesting voting for Trump either, not once have I encouraged it.

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            2 hours ago

            Only one of two people will win. You’re asking this person if they considered voting against the less awful choice.

            I’m sure we’re both pissed off about how protesters are treated right now. Only one of two parties is saying we need National Guard, deport the protesters, that presidents can execute whomever as an Official Act, that the military should be used against the opposition over speech.

            Yeah, so go with your “nach Trump kommen Wir” plan, it will be equally hard to achieve socialism either way, NBD. Not sure why it isn’t, “equally hard either way so let’s pick the ones at least pretending women and LGBT people should have human rights,” but you do you.

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              1 hour ago

              I am asking people to listen to directly and indirectly impacted people, rather than thinking they are more “enlightened” than them for voting for the genocidal establishment. Additionally, both parties have been cracking down on pro-Palestinian protestors, Walz even sent in the National Guard after BLM protestors, that’s not a real point.

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                  57 minutes ago

                  Thats how this is supposed to work. A collective of different perspectives all place votes for their and their families/communities best interest.

                  Democrats are really struggling to accept that half the country isnt better off under their administrations.

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                    44 minutes ago

                    Are Dems improving things, or improving them fast enough? No. But I think the reality of today is that the only ones not better off under a Dem administration are wealthy people and bigots who want society to be a white supremacist hierarchy. I’m not saying people are well off, I am saying the alternative is worse, and by a lot.

                    If it were not possible to win an election as a MAGA the political parties would have to move further left. Instead we have Dems looking back on elections and deciding to move further right in attempt to pick up voters who actually cast a ballot.

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                  1 hour ago

                  The Uncommitted movement didn’t say to vote for Harris. And yes, Walz sending in the National Guard against BLM protestors is a bad thing.

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                    54 minutes ago

                    You can read the article if you like. Or continue to participate in a distorted reality.

                    I disagree that arsonists were actually with the protesters. You have a really delusional perspective that allows you to pretend sending in the guard at all is the same as black vans. Or this. Or this.

                    Alright, link me to some of the worst of the Dem federal response to protests about Gaza. I’m ready to be wrong.

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      Oof, that must be a weird conversation. Am Indonesian.

      Any conversation touching Islam adjacent lost any nuance with the general population more often than not . Not saying your wife is one, but let’s be honest the education quality here is abysmal and at the same time we’re number 1 muslim by population. Also our “Netizen” is notorious for wrongly attacking any issue they misunderstood.

      One of our top singer got berated nationwide because she wore a skirt with a random arabic text in it, people thought it was a Holy script and she’s Christian.

      I kid you not one election season I saw an angry mob with a banner that said USA = COMMUNIST !!

      Most have hard enough time just to get by day to day so I get it, they take anything to blame. With corruption top to bottom it’s a sad state all around. I’m grateful it’s still a relatively peaceful affair though, at least here in Java.

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      The hard part is, she gets to pick between genocide, and genocide with fewer rights for women.

      I don’t understand why she’d pick the latter, but anger does crazy things.

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        In defense Kamala is actively in power with Biden and has had many chances to voice and make change on this issue and she hasn’t. We know what we will get with Kamala, and it’s a lot like Biden all over again

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          Well, seeing a lot of the positives Biden has done, or tried to do but the repubs shut down purely out of spite, I’m still fully voting for Kamala.

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        2 hours ago

        It’s “I’m fucked” vs “I’m fucked and those that fucked me die too”.

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      Lmao you are a scum. You’d rather trust the party of genocide than your own wife. How trashy is this.

      Leave the poor woman seriously.

      No offense.

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        They’re both the party of genocide. No matter what, your next president does genocide. Your vote helps decide which you get to protest under.

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          2 hours ago

          The rest of the world is looking at the US with contempt right now. Far-right germany, britains and the aussies are the only allies you have left. Fuck you.

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          But you won’t. Nobody’s accountable. Nobody was accountable for iraq. Nobody was accountable for lybia. Your country lies and lies and you’re too cowardy to face the criminals unless they are poor ghettos black people. They can create war out of lies and destroy countless lives, not only are they free but they get media attention to endorse whichever warcrimers gonna suck dicks next.

          You make me sick.

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          2 hours ago

          Not a yank. Don’t care. Too late anyway the damage is done I hope you guys pays for the support for genocide.

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      5 hours ago

      It’s gonna get harder. Especially if you guys have kids.