Tilting at a strawman only impresses fools, and only liars pretend to believe a non-aggression pact is an alliance, but feel free to prove what no legitimate historian has ever claimed.
Fun Fact btw, Mr. Civilian Casualties:
There have been 12,000 civilian deaths in Ukraine so far (not that one is justified).
How many has Israel killed in a year?
How many died in Iraq and Afghanistan?
How many died because Finland decided to actually ally with fucking Nazis in 1940 and your tiny little brain can’t comprehend there is literally no justification for that possible?
Seems like you couldn’t give less of a shit about “murdering civilians without pause” when it’s your tribe doing it.
The Soviets didn’t coordinate shit in Poland lol (they couldn’t even coordinate among themselves after Stalin murdered their officer corps), the red and black fascists just agreed on temporary spheres of influence. France, Spain, Britain, etc all did similar things when jockeying over colonial possessions at various points, that doesn’t mean by itself they were allies in any meaningful meaning of the word. If they were actual allies we’d know because Britain would have been overwhelmed in the air war immediately and troops would have landed in England.
The Tripartite Pact was an alliance, the black fascists agreed on mutual defense terms. Molotov-Ribbentrop was painting new lines on a map and agreeing on trade and, as mentioned, literally no credible experts view it otherwise.
Was Stalin staging Soviet airplanes in German territory? Massing Soviet troops in Axis territory anywhere to threaten their neighbors? No? Lending the Luftwaffe planes?
The Tripartite Pact was an alliance, the black fascists agreed on mutual defense terms. Molotov-Ribbentrop was painting new lines on a map and agreeing on trade and, as mentioned, literally no credible experts view it otherwise.
… would you like to mention the signatories of the Tripartite Pact for the sake of the rest of the class?
Actual clown shit bro. Just admit they helped the Nazis and that That Was Bad Even If Not Quite As Bad As The Axis Proper.
Btw, this was your boy Ryti’s end goal from the indisputable military alliance only a fucking liar would argue wasn’t a thing with 100k-200k Nazis attacking from Finnish territory:
So you brought up the Tripartite Alliance in a discussion about Finland, contrasting the Tripartite Alliance with the accusation towards the Soviets having done the exact same thing as the Finns, in order to show…
… what, again?
The Tripartite Pact was an alliance, the black fascists agreed on mutual defense terms. Molotov-Ribbentrop was painting new lines on a map and agreeing on trade and, as mentioned, literally no credible experts view it otherwise.
You’re the one who falsely claimed the Soviets and Axis had an alliance. I pointed to what actual alliances are, since you seemed to be confused by the idea.
Actual clown shit bro. Just admit they helped the Nazis and that That Was Bad Even If Not Quite As Bad As The Axis Proper.
I literally said as much in my very first comment. It’s not my fault you’re falling over yourself to bootlick Soviet tag-teaming genocide with the Nazis because, I don’t know, Finns bad or something. Apparently two things can’t be bad at once.
Finland is slightly better than the Soviet Union in that their Nazi collaboration was in response to a mass campaign of ethnic cleansing (of almost half a million Finns expelled by the Soviets after the unjustified aggression of the Winter War) rather than preceded by a mass campaign of ethnic cleansing (of Poles in the USSR by the Soviets before the joint Nazi-Soviet invasion of Poland). Both remain unconscionable.
Tilting at a strawman only impresses fools, and only liars pretend to believe a non-aggression pact is an alliance, but feel free to prove what no legitimate historian has ever claimed.
Fun Fact btw, Mr. Civilian Casualties:
There have been 12,000 civilian deaths in Ukraine so far (not that one is justified).
How many has Israel killed in a year?
How many died in Iraq and Afghanistan?
How many died because Finland decided to actually ally with fucking Nazis in 1940 and your tiny little brain can’t comprehend there is literally no justification for that possible?
Seems like you couldn’t give less of a shit about “murdering civilians without pause” when it’s your tribe doing it.
What is it you would call coordinating military efforts against a common foe?
It would seem it has a different name when the Finns and the Nazis do it than when the Soviets and the Nazis do it.
The Soviets didn’t coordinate shit in Poland lol (they couldn’t even coordinate among themselves after Stalin murdered their officer corps), the red and black fascists just agreed on temporary spheres of influence. France, Spain, Britain, etc all did similar things when jockeying over colonial possessions at various points, that doesn’t mean by itself they were allies in any meaningful meaning of the word. If they were actual allies we’d know because Britain would have been overwhelmed in the air war immediately and troops would have landed in England.
The Tripartite Pact was an alliance, the black fascists agreed on mutual defense terms. Molotov-Ribbentrop was painting new lines on a map and agreeing on trade and, as mentioned, literally no credible experts view it otherwise.
Was Stalin staging Soviet airplanes in German territory? Massing Soviet troops in Axis territory anywhere to threaten their neighbors? No? Lending the Luftwaffe planes?
… would you like to mention the signatories of the Tripartite Pact for the sake of the rest of the class?
Germany, Italy, and Japan. Despite the name, there were several other signatories, particularly in the Balkans, as Europe began to bend the knee.
Did you think Russia signed it?
… do you think Finland signed it?
Jesus Christ.
I redirect you to
Do you think you can only have one alliance?
Actual clown shit bro. Just admit they helped the Nazis and that That Was Bad Even If Not Quite As Bad As The Axis Proper.
Btw, this was your boy Ryti’s end goal from the indisputable military alliance only a fucking liar would argue wasn’t a thing with 100k-200k Nazis attacking from Finnish territory:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Finland
So you brought up the Tripartite Alliance in a discussion about Finland, contrasting the Tripartite Alliance with the accusation towards the Soviets having done the exact same thing as the Finns, in order to show…
… what, again?
You’re the one who falsely claimed the Soviets and Axis had an alliance. I pointed to what actual alliances are, since you seemed to be confused by the idea.
I literally said as much in my very first comment. It’s not my fault you’re falling over yourself to bootlick Soviet tag-teaming genocide with the Nazis because, I don’t know, Finns bad or something. Apparently two things can’t be bad at once.
Where the fuck is your reading comprehension?
Wherever you keep your intellectual honesty in this comment chain started by revisionist nationalism.