• daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    12 hours ago

    Most problems would simply not be a problem if we drastically reduce the human population. Which would not only avoid the issues caused by climate change but also would prevent further increases in pollution and CO2 emissions.

    I don’t know why the best solution is often the less talked about. Just stop having so many children. We don’t have 70% infant mortality rate like we used to, there’s no need to have 4 kids to preserve your legacy.

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      11 hours ago

      One difficulty with that is that the way we organize economies currently depends on having a working-age population that is large enough to support the non-working population. When you have far fewer workers than retired people you start having problems. I don’t know what the answer to that is, but it’s another instance of how any plan to seriously address climate change tends to require deep changes to how we run society. The current systems can’t simply be tweaked to make the problem go away.

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        We already have far more people than necessary jobs. One person with modern trchnology can produce way, way more than one person could even just a century ago.

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            If the jobs aren’t necessary, then surely there’s a way to organize society without those jobs existing.

            This is the fundamental argument behind universal basic income.

            As to the question of how to fund stuff like pensions or UBI without everyone working, the answer is simply to tax those who are working more, especially those making huge amounts of money.

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        currently depends on having a working-age population that is large enough to support the non-working population

        This is only a problem if production does not increase dramatically, as it has for the last century. The reason it feels like there are insufficient working people is because parasites siphon from the resource distribution between more and more productive workers and their non working counterparts

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        11 hours ago

        There is a lot of things wrong on how we organize the economy.

        If we are going to change that we may as well change it good.

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      11 hours ago

      if we drastically reduce the human population. Which would not only avoid the issues caused by climate change but also would prevent further increases in pollution and CO2 emissions.

      Ignoring the genocide-apologist trend, the pandemic did wonders to reduce global warming…, perhaps start taxing more the companies that force back-to-office when they could clearly keep most of their work force at home?

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        7 hours ago

        And, eliminate Euclidean zoning in the U.S., so that people can live near where they work, or work near where they live. (Not all of us can do it, or like working from home.)

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        11 hours ago

        What genocide? Just sensible reproduction. There’s two options. 10 billion people living miserably like during the pandemic. Or maybe 1 billion people being able to live good lives.

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          11 hours ago

          What about 2 billion people living pretty-good lives or 9 billion people living less-miserably? That’s at least two more options right there.

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            11 hours ago

            I literally said just having less children.

            And I’m totally ok to only having between one or zero children myself.

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              China tried it, didn’t go too well… good luck trying it on a global scale…

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                Chinas problem was also a still very uneducated and traditionalist populace, that insisted on having boys as heirs. Leading to abortions or straight up murder of female infants. That wouldn’t really be a global issue I beleive

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                10 hours ago

                Derived problems were product of a sexist society should be avoidable, you know, ending sexism…

                Or are you supporting that people should be able to want male babies over female ones?

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                  Oooooh, of course, how could i forget? Blame the cis white male and the patriarchy, or course!

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                    Literally the only big problem with china one-child policy, was that sexist parents were practicing selective abortions to ensure that they get one male kid.

                    No sexism = no problem

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      Yeah. Thanos should simply have made half of all living beings gay. Much less violent and this would probably also make future generations more likely to be gay too. So it‘ll probably have a much more longlasting effect than killing 50% once.