This latest aid convoy was also forced to abandon their planned departure time and route by the Israeli military and told to go early and on an unfamiliar route where they wound up getting attacked and hijacked. This was so obviously planned out by Israel.
I’m not sure. The one I’m referring to just happened and was the first one after all the recent reporting of the famine and humanitarian issues happening in Gaza.
A school in northern Gaza burned down on Monday, hours after humanitarian aid trucks had arrived to it, according to photos and accounts by locals. Residents of the area said Israeli soldiers had set the fire that consumed the school.
A video seen on social media on Sunday, taken by an IDF soldier, showed two Israeli armored vehicles leaving the school surroundings as it was engulfed in flames
Staff from the UN World Food Program, which sent the aid, as well as other international sources, said Gazans did not even have time to collect the aid. They said the military launched an attack in the area and soldiers had surrounded the building before the food was distributed.
The convoy, consisting of two trucks and a water tanker, was the first to be approved by the military to enter northern Gaza after a month and a half of siege. The decision followed international pressure over the failure to deliver aid to Gazans.
Witnesses said soldiers forced civilians away from the area, preventing them from collecting the aid, which was later destroyed by the fire. Reports also said civilians had been killed at the site. The soldiers involved belonged to the Rotem Battalion in the Givati Brigade, the reports said.
Other footage was posted on Thursday showing fires at schools in northern Gaza. A video from the Jabalya refugee camp showed a soldier standing in the yard of a burning school. Another video showed a large blaze in the Salah al-Din School in Gaza City, which had been serving as a shelter for refugees.
This is not a court proceeding, so saying “hearsay is not evidence” is pointless. Witness testimony before a court would be evidence. And all we know as of now points towards Israel doing it. The details will have to be proven in court, when they eventually get their Nuremberg.
This is not a court proceeding, so saying “hearsay is not evidence” is pointless.
You’re right. In fact the stakes are much higher than a court proceeding, as is the need to be accurate and certain about allegations.
Witness testimony before a court would be evidence.
It would be, if the witness was someone deemed to be credible and if what they saw was consistent with other confirmed facts.
You should be glad that we happen to live in a world where “I saw them do it!” alone isn’t enough to convict someone of a serious crime.
The details will have to be proven in court, when they eventually get their Nuremberg.
Good! And if/when that time comes, and the details are proven beyond a reasonable doubt with hard evidence, then it can be said to be a fact. What a concept, eh?
As of now, what you are describing is little more than a conspiracy theory akin to “stop the steal”, flat earth, birtherism, and so on. All this conversation has shown is that the Lemmy groupthink is just as prone to believing conspiracy theories and propaganda that conforms to their biases as some of the wack-jobs on the far right.
If the story was flipped and we were accusing Palestinians of burning down an Israeli school I’d be making all the same points. You know why? Because If your standards for truth and objectivity morph and change depending on which side of the holy war you’re talking about, then you don’t really give a damn about the truth at all, do you?
Wow, you’re quite divorced from reality. What is a credible witness to you then? Something like this perchance?
If the story was flipped and we were accusing Palestinians of burning down an Israeli school I’d be making all the same points. You know why? Because If your standards for truth and objectivity morph and change depending on which side of the holy war you’re talking about, then you
Nice story bro. As far as I know, no one has been convicted before a court for the October 7th attacks. We shouldn’t talk about the massacres then, right? 🤡
Ooh, the ad homenim into family guy meme baseless “you’re racist” strawman argument.
Now you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel of stupid shit to say, aren’t you?
You’re the one bringing race into this and I can only hazard a guess why…
As far as I know, no one has been convicted before a court for the October 7th attacks. We shouldn’t talk about the massacres then, right?
Nice one “bro”, but there are hundreds of hours of high-resolution video footage of October 7th, much of which was recorded and published by Hamas militants themselves. Innocent people being fucking shot and killed, their homes and communes ransacked, men, women and children taken captive (about 100 of which are still unaccounted for today).
Is this your idea of good argument? Denial of a objectively horrible and well-documented massacre of people in broad daylight?
If so, that pretty disgusting. You dropped this 🤡
IF the evidence behind October 7th was “I dunno maybe it happened because someone says that they saw someone who looked like Hamas do something near something else but maybe not”, then I would also have a very difficult time accepting that as fact. I would want to some actual evidence of that, wouldn’t you?
Someone like you, who is more biased and hateful, would gladly accept something so inconclusive as a fact to justify their feelings of blind anger and tribal vengeance.
This holy war will go on for another 80 years because of people like you who are willing to believe anything that makes them feel better about whichever side of this pointless bullshit that they happen to subscribe to.
this holy war will not go on for another 80 years. because at the current rate, every Palestinian left in Gaza will be dead in a year. and you seem to be fine with Israel withholding aid and now, according to current evidence (but not yet proven in an international court) destroying or helping destroy what little aid does get in.
I’m done with this, I’m blocking you now. I’m sick of having to argue that genocide is wrong.
Israeli soldiers have also set a school on fire right after it got aid to prevent the starving population from getting any aid
This latest aid convoy was also forced to abandon their planned departure time and route by the Israeli military and told to go early and on an unfamiliar route where they wound up getting attacked and hijacked. This was so obviously planned out by Israel.
Didn’t this happen some time ago or did they just do it again?
I’m not sure. The one I’m referring to just happened and was the first one after all the recent reporting of the famine and humanitarian issues happening in Gaza.
Is there evidence that the Israeli soldiers did it?
From the Haaretz article:
Hearsay is not evidence.
Being near something is not evidence of having done it.
Why would the IDF attack a convoy they they themselves approved?
Hearsay is not evidence.
Reports by who? With what evidence?
Clearly objectivity and media literacy are at an all time low. What a shame.
This is not a court proceeding, so saying “hearsay is not evidence” is pointless. Witness testimony before a court would be evidence. And all we know as of now points towards Israel doing it. The details will have to be proven in court, when they eventually get their Nuremberg.
You’re right. In fact the stakes are much higher than a court proceeding, as is the need to be accurate and certain about allegations.
It would be, if the witness was someone deemed to be credible and if what they saw was consistent with other confirmed facts.
You should be glad that we happen to live in a world where “I saw them do it!” alone isn’t enough to convict someone of a serious crime.
Good! And if/when that time comes, and the details are proven beyond a reasonable doubt with hard evidence, then it can be said to be a fact. What a concept, eh?
As of now, what you are describing is little more than a conspiracy theory akin to “stop the steal”, flat earth, birtherism, and so on. All this conversation has shown is that the Lemmy groupthink is just as prone to believing conspiracy theories and propaganda that conforms to their biases as some of the wack-jobs on the far right.
If the story was flipped and we were accusing Palestinians of burning down an Israeli school I’d be making all the same points. You know why? Because If your standards for truth and objectivity morph and change depending on which side of the holy war you’re talking about, then you don’t really give a damn about the truth at all, do you?
Wow, you’re quite divorced from reality. What is a credible witness to you then? Something like this perchance?
Nice story bro. As far as I know, no one has been convicted before a court for the October 7th attacks. We shouldn’t talk about the massacres then, right? 🤡
Ooh, the ad homenim into family guy meme baseless “you’re racist” strawman argument.
Now you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel of stupid shit to say, aren’t you?
You’re the one bringing race into this and I can only hazard a guess why…
Nice one “bro”, but there are hundreds of hours of high-resolution video footage of October 7th, much of which was recorded and published by Hamas militants themselves. Innocent people being fucking shot and killed, their homes and communes ransacked, men, women and children taken captive (about 100 of which are still unaccounted for today).
Is this your idea of good argument? Denial of a objectively horrible and well-documented massacre of people in broad daylight?
If so, that pretty disgusting. You dropped this 🤡
IF the evidence behind October 7th was “I dunno maybe it happened because someone says that they saw someone who looked like Hamas do something near something else but maybe not”, then I would also have a very difficult time accepting that as fact. I would want to some actual evidence of that, wouldn’t you?
Someone like you, who is more biased and hateful, would gladly accept something so inconclusive as a fact to justify their feelings of blind anger and tribal vengeance.
This holy war will go on for another 80 years because of people like you who are willing to believe anything that makes them feel better about whichever side of this pointless bullshit that they happen to subscribe to.
this holy war will not go on for another 80 years. because at the current rate, every Palestinian left in Gaza will be dead in a year. and you seem to be fine with Israel withholding aid and now, according to current evidence (but not yet proven in an international court) destroying or helping destroy what little aid does get in.
I’m done with this, I’m blocking you now. I’m sick of having to argue that genocide is wrong.
And the other possibility is that Hamas set their own school on fire because…?
I love that you will attempt to break that argument down, yet just ignore the complete idiocy of the only real alternative.
Nothing can ever happen unless maplebar witnesses it personally
Wouldn’t be the first time…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/14/gaza-civilians-afraid-to-leave-home-after-bombing-of-safe-routes
Or the 2nd… or the 3rd…
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5932/Israel-uses-its-‘safe-corridor’-in-Gaza-as-trap-to-murder-and-detain-Palestinians-fleeing-Israeli-violence
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-turns-safe-corridor-gazas-south-trap-kill-hungry-forcibly-displaced-palestinians-enar
If you’re not even going to believe Israeli media…
Idiots believe “media”, intelligent people believe concrete evidence, of which there is none to back up the original claim.